I post this letter for you edification and education regarding how dangerous Rick Warren is.
Numerous events have transpired since it’s writing but even without these it is clear of what spirit Rick Warren operates in.
I hope to add Pictures shortly.
17th April 2011
My dear Brothers in the Lord
Minister of the gospel REMOVED and Eldership of The REMOVED Church REMOVED,
It thus comes that I must express my great distress of spirit and soul within this exceedingly lengthy letter, to which I ask forgiveness. I would have structured this better if I spent more time on it but the truth contained is far more important and I thus leave it in the hands of the Lord to minister accordingly.
This being a matter of such serious importance I found it essential to investigate this matter beyond my working knowledge at the time, to ensure what I conveyed to you was as correct and up to date as possible. I thought my knowledge on this matter was sufficient but have come to realise it was merely the visible portion of the iceberg once the detail is considered.
I have delayed in the issuing of this letter for far too long and I apologise as it is not for me to hold back these words I am compelled to speak forth.
With great heaviness of heart I continue searching for a place of fellowship knowing there is no such thing as a “perfect church”, I desire to see truth prosper.
I am neither throwing the “baby out with the bath water”, a psychological device to silence naysayers to the process that is ongoing in the body of Christ.
I endeavour at all times to be cautious in judgement and give benefit of the doubt, since scripture instructs us to “judge righteous judgement” John 7:24, not just apply carte blanche “Judge not lest ye be judged.” so that every form of deception can carry us off.
In as such, finding the desire of the REMOVED Church to preserve the “old time religion” of our forefathers whilst under the pressure of modern thought, as per last weeks church flyer, has given me much hope in finding a church that possibly is not undergoing the homogenising process which all denominations are currently undergoing and have been undergoing for many decades.
A process that has not been brought to fruition by accident but by careful planning and criminal intent against our Christ and His God over the last 200 years and toward the beginning of time.
“Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.” Psalm 2:1-3
There are two conspiracies, two old time religions and two sets of forefathers to which we can turn.
One is directed by wicked and evil men, inspired by their flesh and the adversary, whilst the other is God’s plan of redemption, His plan for His vessels chosen for glory and vessels chosen for destruction. Romans 9.
We must desperately avoid repeating the folly of Judah outlined in Jeremiah.
“And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers,which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them…” Jeremiah 11:9 – 10
As the book of Proverbs states “there is nothing new under the sun.”
Equally “men of God” are in our midst who desire to mix our worship of Yahweh with Baal.
“There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
And her prophets have daubed them with untempered mortar, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.” Ezekiel 22:25 – 28.
The women used to daub their faces with this “mortar” as make-up to cover their spots and blemishes. Man made philosophies are designed for that exact same purpose. The prophets were telling lies to make the people feel good, rather than address the root of the problems, ie: repent and do righteously.
The same happens in today’s church through self help books, church growth guru’s and the like. There stands a problem (real or artificially generated) and thus we are given the solution (mortar) by these “Priests and Prophets” whilst the problem remains hidden and concealed.
Equally the language “have devoured souls” echoes that of Revelations 18 whose merchandise was the “souls of men”, and we are certainly made merchandise of in
these days of great covetousness.
Now my children desire continued fellowship with yourselves, and even one whom seems to possess no desire for any godly input or religion has specifically requested to come to further services.
The very age of the members of this congregation has also provided me with a heightened expectation that the Word of God is honoured, that the foundations of this church which both John Bunyan and John Owen were members would still possess and proclaim the same truth in an unequivocal manner. An expectation of independence from King and Pope, and may I say Christian Celebrity.
Alas, I need to express not only my reasons for my considerable consternation, but also make clear that as young as I am I do not speak without knowledge, nor am I ignorant on these serious matters which I have been investigating for two decades, or without the patent love that Christ would expect me to speak and entreat a brother in Christ else I be a “clanging bell”.
It is important to be mindful of Hosea 4:6
“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me”
In the event you may think I am off my rocker as you may be tempted to think, remember Paul in Acts 26:24-25 was also considered mad to which he responded
“I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.”
Some of the things I discuss may upset you, other things I say may sound incredulous, but I am especially one who does not appreciate things being said without backing it up. I have made especially sure to back up as much as possible with quotes, references from as many primary sources as possible.
I hope my words are taken in the spirit in which I intend, though my humanity may fall through the cracks of my imperfections please entreat this letter with the same graciousness I wish to entreat yourselves with.
REMOVED, I have thus far only heard your preaching on two occasions. I am not at all concerned at the way you preach, nor question the reasons for why you preach, but I am concerned about what is preached.
The first sermon I heard the last week prior to your holidays you mentioned three
“Christian” personalities of which I know enough to have reason to completely avoid.
Joyce Meyer, Billy Graham and his touted successor as of a few years ago “America’s Pastor” Rick Warren.
The week upon your return from holidays we had Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Life being quoted again, and with deep concern it appears it is more than a book read in passing since you have read it three times.
I make no foolish assumptions, nor jump to foolish conclusions, but I assume that you are aware there are some who do not like Rick Warren. I do not know what reasons they have but I know the reasons I have and they far exceed a simple matter of disdain for the shallowness of some personality clash. This is in the category of immeasurable danger.
Though you may know of some possibly pathetic reasons, maybe even nit picky reasons for some peoples dislike, I on the contrary, care not for nit picking. Instead I find no Gnats to strain but rather if sufficient investigation into the matter be conducted, which would be pertinent under the circumstances, there will be found an aggressively cancerous camel.
As you move through this letter you will find the evidence building to an apex. I have not gone hard hitting at first, so if you think I have no evidence, push through as it will become self-evident.
Wearing both hats, Rick Warren as “Christian” personality and Rick Warren the foreign affairs diplomat poses a serious back-door assault on the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the future of the Church as we know it.
From the outset I do not deny the possibility that Rick Warren may be devoted to his Church and believes sincerely what he is doing is right. In fact it is the utter conviction of sincerely believing in what we are doing that we can come upon dangerous ground. Just as in Cult Mind Control studies, the worst form of brain washing is self indoctrination, the voluntary submission to what one reads, listens to and watches. This is the most difficult to break.
The sermon that I heard preached on 13th March 2011 deeply concerned me (as it did my wife) for a number of reasons. These are my reasons.
I am concerned that a program of “de-constructing the self” in this instance “de-constructing the faith” is taking place as would be required to take a biblically based church across the river Styx into the promised land of the Emergent Church.
This process Rick Warren along with New Age contemporaries term “transitioning”.
Rick Warren endorses such a titled book by Dan Southerland on his website, called “Transitioning: Leading Your Church Through Change”.
Rick Warren also wrote the foreword to this book.
This book teaches pastors how to get rid of Christians from their church who cannot be “transitioned” and like Warren obtaining a signature to the Purpose Driven “vision”.
When I say signature I mean “signing up” to a covenant or oath which is not biblical in itself.
Rick Warren forces the signing of a contract in his church even saying on pg 84 of Purpose Driven Life
“Have you ever signed a contract like that with God? Or are you still arguing and struggling with God…”
(I am assuming you are familiar with Warren’s book PDL (Purpose Driven Life) which has a sample contract in it for parishioners to sign.)
I know that my God wouldn’t ask me to sign a contract because of His Word’s in James 5:12. He wants either my YES or NO.
This is part of forcing people into the open as “dissenters”, by getting everyone to jump through the qualifying hoops to go to the “next degree”, or next stage of transitioning like in some secret order.
Consider this spirited loveless treatment of dissenters by Southerland, the book to which Warren wrote the foreword:
“If you have read Nehemiah recently, you will remember that Sanballat is Nehemiah’s greatest critic and number one enemy. Let me put it plainer than that. Sanballat is a leader from hell. We all have some Sanballats in our churches. This is the guy who opposes whatever you propose…. You cannot call this guy a leader from hell to his face – but you could call him Sanballat.” pg 115. Transitioning: Leading Your Church Through Change.
It would also serve well to read the chapter called “Dealing with Opposition.” in this book.
Makes me think of the curse Benny Hinn blasted against his critics
“Now I’m pointing my finger with the power of God on me… You hear this: There are men and women in Southern California attacking me. I will tell you under the anointing now, you’ll reap it in your children unless you stop… And your children will suffer… you’ll pay and your children will. Hear this from the lips of God’s servant. You are in danger. Repent! Or God Almighty will move His hand. Touch not My Anointed…” Christianity in Crisis by Hank Hanegraaff quoting from the World Charismatic Conference 7th August 1992 Anaheim California.
If we are fearful of touching “God’s Annointed” then we don’t mess with Messiah or His words.
Note also that Rick Warren held the launch of his PEACE plan at Anaheim California. I’ll discuss that later.
Another time Hinn shouted on stage he wished God would give him a “Holy Ghost machine gun” so he could blow the heads off his critics.
I personally have had people pray against me calling me Satan or saying I was possessed, so I guess it shows what similarities in spirit such people have.
Such emotive responses to this transitioning, be it for or against, is a clear marker of the divisiveness of the movement.
Professor Plino Correra De Olivera in the 1960’s called this process of “transitioning”, by the term “Unperceived ideological transhipment and dialogue”. The methods and pragmatic outworking of taking someone from one viewpoint and bringing them across to one they originally would consider abhorrent.
This process is usually one that cannot be achieved in totality with one generation, it takes two or three generations. You will find Rick Warrens plan is to spend 40 years on this process. Exactly the same amount of time as Robert Schuller said he would spend in ministry. ( I do not drop that name by accident.)
This principle is described by ex Jesuit novitiate, Abbate Leone who quotes an Irish Jesuit in “The Secret Plan of the Order” published in 1848 pg 162 stating
“For, I would not have it lost sight of that our chief concern must be to mould the people to our purposes. Doubtless, the first generation will not be wholly ours; but the second will nearly belong to us, and the third entirely. Yes the people are the vast domain we have to conquer; and when we are free to cultivate it after our own way, we will make it fructify to the profit of the impoverished granary of the holy city.”
It is this “moulding the people” to a new Purpose, that I have experienced before, seen in operation before, and needs to occur for the church to serve the enemies of our Lord.
Rick Warren has put this into practice over 20 years and now encourages others to do likewise.
A book called “The Aquarian Conspiracy” published in 1980, will be found all over Warren’s books in spirit and ideology yet is unreferenced. This book says
“Ironically, while there is less need now for external validation or justification, self-questioning may reach the level of inquisition. Usually the individual emerges from such re-evaluation with a new strength and sureness, grounded in purpose.” pg 93
This process driven by purpose, is forced, like a juggernaut, relentless and soulless and was occurring as far back as the time of Spurgeon who writing in April 1888 in “The Sword and the Trowel” concerning the “Down Grade Controversy” an article called “Progressive Theology”,
“… one sees a “Moderate” declaring his advance to “another gospel” in the boldest terms; and there, another, highly esteemed for his supposed love of the truth, stubbing it after the subtle manner of its most malicious foes. While some of the most perverted cunningly endeavour to appear orthodox, others of a braver nature come out in their true colours, and astonish us with the glaring hue of their heresy… Their chickens are so much of the Roman breed, that we sometimes seriously suspect that, after all, Jesuitical craft may be at the bottom of this “modern thought.” pg 65 – 66
This driving process occurs via forces and devices unseen throughout history.
Forces and process I will discuss.
It appears that we have forgotten history when we hear words of such ilk from one so respected as Spurgeon, even to Rick Warren himself. Such echoes can still be perceived, but more pressing entertainments are far more comforting to our ears a century or more later.
Even the devilish Madam Blavatsky expresses her lack of love for the Jesuits stating
“Unfortunately in this year of the Pope’s jubilee the civilized portions of humanity–even the Protestant ones–seem to have entirely forgotten that past [regarding Jesuits]. Let then those who profess to despise Theosophy, the fair child of early Aryan thought and Alexandrian Neo-Platonism, bow before the monstrous Fiend of the Age, but let them not forget at the same time its history.” Theosophy or Jesuitism by H P Blavasky published in Lucifer June 1888.
The problem is Madam Blavatsky was proposing that if we have disdain for Jesuitism, then we should naturally gravitate towards Theosophy.
Not a few 19th and 20th Century Personalities fell for such a view, others though displayed equal fraternity with both camps.
A sad state of affairs that very likely a good number of those who knew about the history of the Jesuits and desired to resist them, have found their energies harnessed by their adversary only to help those they willed to harm.
Fact is both powers are seen in hindsight coalescing in Adolf Hitler, basing his Reich on the Jesuits whilst educated in Theosophy and adopting its pagan worship.
This is not surprising since we should anticipate both the “black arts” as Blavatsky claims
“Jesuits have practised not only Occultism, but BLACK MAGIC in its worst form…” Theosophy or Jesuitism by H P Blavatsky
Whilst Blavatsky claims the “moral” high ground in that they perform the White arts,
“Theosophists are as well protected, and better, than themselves. To the man of modern science, to all those who know nothing, and who do not believe what they hear of WHITE and BLACK magic, the above will read like nonsense. Let it be, though Europe will very soon experience, and is already so experiencing, the heavy hand of the latter.” Theosophy or Jesuitism by H P Blavatsky published in Lucifer June 1888.
Two sides of the same coin. This is called Hegelianism, Thesis vs Antithesis producing a synthesis. These opposed forces are displayed here
“At the same time, all those who are pursuing in life’s great wilderness of vain evanescent pleasures and empty conventionalities an ideal worth living for, are offered the choice between the two now once more rising powers–the Alpha and the Omega at the two opposite ends of the realm of giddy, idle existence–THEOSOPHY and JESUITISM.” Theosophy or Jesuitism by H P Blavatsky published in Lucifer June 1888.
So where does Protestantism come into this
“One out of the three great churches of Christendom is split into atomic sects, whose number increases yearly; and a house divided against itself, as is the Protestant Church–MUST FALL.” Theosophy Or Jesuitism by H P Blavatsky published in Lucifer, June 1888.
We are played like fools, like puppets on strings. Those strings are those sinful tendencies in us that enables us to be manipulated and guided like a ship on tumultuous waters.
History has shown us the game of opposing ones own creation. The Vatican opposed Freemasonry, now they accept it. Freemasonry and Theosophy were seen as partners against the Jesuits. History shows they all work towards the same goal, use the same symbols and oaths, and have the same master.
This may seem irrelevant to the discussion at hand. If you persist with this you will see it is nothing but relevant.
One process by which we are played yet usually unaware of is termed “hidden in plain sight” a technique used in Hollywood and by magicians.
This technique found in both Rick Warren’s books and sermons and the sermon I heard preached on Sunday 13th March 2011 in this instance mentioned the very thing we must not believe. This was that we must not trust in vain philosophy.
Having had surety established that vain philosophy is not going to be preached the mind becomes blind to the preaching of the very same. Instead of hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ or something remotely related to it we had Matrix type philosophical concepts thrown at us, vain philosophies of man.
We were asked during the sermon you presented on Sunday 13th March 2011 “How would we describe God”, my experience is different to your experience.
This is existentialism. How do I know if history is true, how do I know it is hot or cold, day or night, right or wrong, and especially “what is my Purpose” which is a key existential question.
No person takes in information the same nor interprets the said information the same, due to emotions, knowledge, biases colouring our views, differences in neural wiring.
These statements are terribly concerning because they sound very much like 33rd Degree Mason Albert Pike in his Morals and Dogma
“The true word of a Mason is, not the entire, perfect, absolute truth in regard to God; but the highest and noblest conception of Him that our minds are capable of forming; and this word is Ineffable, because one man cannot communicate to another his own conception of Deity; since every man’s conception of God must be proportioned to his mental cultivation and intellectual powers, and moral excellence.” Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike.
What a dangerous road to be skipping down. Those words and thought sound so similar.
Is it possible that such concepts have seeded themselves and have taken root already.
Concepts and philosophies that are bent and twisted to seem like they are biblical like one example by Rick Warren posing this by misusing scripture,“What is your life?” James 4:14b pg 41 Purpose Driven Life
Examine the entire scripture to see how it has been abused.
The bible is not a self help book providing answers for everyone, but Rick Warren has presented his book and the Word of God as just that, a guide to Human Potential.
The issue is not what is you life but what does God will?
Even more astounding is the quote underneath that scripture from Anais Nin
“We don’t see things as they are, we see them as we are.” pg 41 Purpose Driven Life
Firstly it may amaze you, cause it amazed me to find out Anais Nin is a writer of “literary erotica”. Her web site according to pg 243 of Bob Dewaays “Redefining Christianity” states
“for ADULT EYES and require PARENTAL PERMISSION for readers under the age of 18 in the United States.”
Secondly preaching those concepts without retort or correction becomes a deadly argument against absolute values, beliefs and doctrine, and generates a “my truth, your truth” scenario since as Bob Deway in his book “Redefining Christianity” states
“… this thinking would give credence to the theory that Jesus was not really raised from the dead, because the disciples… did not see Jesus as he is, they saw Him as they were.” pg 132
Jerry Mander in his book “Four Arguments Against the Elimination of Television” shows how our society is moving into a Hyper Cynicism like what is spoken of here, geared through the viewing of Television stating
“Without training in sensory cynicism, we cannot possibly learn to deal with this. It will take generations to let go of our genetically coded tendency to soak up all images as though they are 100 percent real. And think if we do manage to do that, what will we have? Creatures who cannot believe in their senses and who take everything as it comes, since nothing can be directly experienced. (1984). ” pg 249-250.
Jerry Mander is saying artificial environments are leading to such a view of life.
It is such a conditioning that allows easy access for belief systems like Hinduism to take a hold.
One teaching is that everything is maya: an illusion.
This then separates our body and the physical world (the illusory one) from the spiritual (the real one). This separation then makes it perfectly simple for Gnostic teaching to flood the church, which is exactly what is happening.
Undermining reality, destroying the morality and values we have to create a vacuum and then fill it with something new is the process we have been undergoing.
Neale Donald Walsch, who is quoted but left unreferenced by Rick Warren as shown later says
“The first step for us as a society as we evolve is to abandon our values. The people who have their feet in the mud, who are ‘stuck’, are railing against this. They say that we are building a society without values, that we are abandoning our values. Well, we are abandoning our values. We ought to abandon our values. We ought to have only one value. What is it that’s working? What works? And that assessment is dependent on what your trying to do.”Neale Donald Walsch and Dr Brad Blanton – Honest to God: A Change of Heart That Can Change the World pg 88- 89.
Abandon our values for pragmatism. Is not that what Rick Warren espouses?
Back in the early 1990’s I listened to a Dr Depak Chopra who argued similar to your sermon on scientific and medical grounds. He preached metaphysics and Hinduism to the West and mixed it with medical terminology. (Rick Warren spoke at a conference with Dr Depak Chopra back in 2005)
I wrestled over and over again in my younger years trying to understand his logic and discover why this “vain philosophy” was faulty, and yet such a stick of dynamite as this is thrown into a congregation like it was a babies dummy.
I did not hear any clear clarion call rebutting this vain philosophy, no comments on “Scripture is perfect for reproof, correction, godliness …” scripture being our authority and framing our experiences with God and correcting our notions about God or even using vain philosophies of men trying to defend such a position (though not recommended).
This did not come as the conclusion of the sermon. We were left to chew on the question be it consciously or subconsciously, in which such a process over time would produce a slow “change to the mind” (a key goal of Rick Warren), it’s beliefs and convictions leading to a more syncretic belief system and loss of respect for the Word of God and a heightened appeal to the dogma of ones experience.
This is stepping on dangerous ground.
Once again examining 33rd Degree Mason and Civil War General Albert Pike in his book Morals and Dogma as he states
“The living principle of a living Universe must be INFINITE; while all our ideas and conceptions are finite, and applicable only to finite beings. The Deity is thus not an object of knowledge, but of faith; not to be approached by the understanding, but by the moral sense; not to be conceived, but to be felt.” Morals and Dogma Section XIV. GRAND ELECT, PERFECT, AND SUBLIME MASON by Albert Pike.
Both avenues of argument are wrong. How do we know we are experiencing the Deity or Satan? And can we completely know God in his infiniteness?
God knows we are terminally between a rock and a hard place and thus he has given us His Word and came in the flesh as the Word.
Both show us that which he deems “necessary” for us to know and live by.
Anything else is subterfuge.
A good explanation of this very outcome of pursuing experience in relation to what Rick Warren is doing follows
“…spirituality, not religion… Behind this shift is the search for an experiential faith, a religion of the heart, not the head. It’s a religious expression that downplays doctrine and dogma, and revels in direct experience of the divine – whether it’s called the “Holy Spirit” or “cosmic consciousness” or the “true self.” It is practical and personal, more about stress reduction than salvation, more therapeutic than theological. It’s about feeling, on being good. It’s as much about the body as the soul… Some marketing gurus have begun calling it “the experience industry”. (American Demographics, April 1999, “Choosing My Religion ., p 62).
The last phrases are clear echoes of what Rick Warren is doing now with The Daniel Plan introducing New Age Doctors. Dr Mark Hyman, Dr Mehmet Oz and Dr Daniel Amen.
(Note that this sounds biblical at first glance but Dr Daniel Amen’s plan has nothing to do with The Daniel of the Bible. This is named after the Doctor.)
Dr Mark Hyman at Saddleback stated we “need to heal with community”.
Dr Mehmet Oz is a believer of Sweedenborgism.
(Notice that community is the meaning of consensus between Peter Drucker’s 3 Sectors which I mention later. This is critical in how “church” is to be used in serving the World’s Purpose. Not God’s.)
Such sentiments regarding healthcare is reiterated in the Aquarian Conspiracy
“…the conference, “Health Care: Whose Responsibility?” reflected the need to disperse power from paternal agencies to the community.” pg 235
There is a clear plan of action being carried through the decades and clearly there are strong influences directing these outcomes.
Considering this current angle Warren is taking, I wonder how much “doctrinal pressure” comes upon a person, or organisation that is dependant upon or receives significant financial assistance from outside sources.
I quote from Mac Dominick who asks a brilliant and targeted question
“Since Dr. Warren has a Doctorate of Ministry degree from Fuller Theological Seminary, he is networked into the Fuller funding line that includes the Rockefeller Foundation, the Luce Foundation (Henry Luce was a high-ranking Freemason), the Lilly Endowment (Lilly is a major manufacturer of psychological pharmaceuticals), as well as the Association of Theological Schools.” OUTCOME-BASED RELIGION: PURPOSE-DRIVEN APOSTASY By Mac Dominick Chapter 13 LIVING IN THE TIME OF THE PARADIGM SHIFT
Did you know Fuller Seminary received funding from these power brokers?
Rockefeller is also a major funder of the CFR, Lucis Trust, and has quietly been funding the changes to health. Pertinent issues later discussed.
I raise this question because Rick Warren is compiling a Database on all his members health history and other information. Is Lily Endowment involved in benefiting from this information?
It is very important you read this document discussing this matter and look deeper, as this is new information for me too and I have not had time to fully digest it, but just those names should shake you good and proper to something afoot, also considering similar examples in history.
This “Health Plan” conference launched Saturday Jan. 15th, 2011 at Saddleback did not mention Jesus the entire day. Secondly it parroted the Agenda 21 plan of the United Nations on Sustainability and Population Control.
Rick Warren with these doctors support and endorse meditation, (stress reduction
over salvation), having felt needs met (more therapeutic than theological) and so on. Catch words bandied about like sustainability etc. It is not The Churches responsibility to promote the current fads of each generation so why do Saddleback and their Driven clones?
Read the chapter called “Healing Ourselves” in The Aquarian Conspiracy to see how close to Marlyn Ferguson’s pattern they are getting. Marylyn Ferguson quotes one writer from 1888
“California is a preview of our national paradigm shifts as well as our fads and fashions.” pg 132
You can see video on the net showing Rick Warren’s interview of Dr Daniel Amen who also encourages fad and fashionable Eastern Meditation. Meditation that Rick Warren denies is being taught
“It’s called meditation. Meditation? What in the world is that? Some people think, wow, that’s scary. This has actually become a controversial word. Some very, very confused believers have been teaching—I’ve seen it on the Internet—that Christians should be afraid of meditation and run from meditation. That’s nonsense! The Bible talks about meditation and commands it.”
It is interesting to note the mocking attitude in this. Psychologically intimidating any “doubters”.
Yet he endorses Henri Nouwen, Gary Thomas, Richard Foster, Adele Ahlberg Calhoun, Brennan Manning, Dallas Willard, Thomas Merton and numerous others who do not teach Biblical Meditation which means “to think” ie: muse, compared to not thinking “a-muse” which is what we have all been taught to do in front of TV’s for the last 60 years. We have all been conditioned towards accepting Eastern Meditation, contemplative Meditation, whispered prayers, Labyrinths, repetitious vain prayer called Mantra’s using bible names to give it a veneer of sanctioning by God.
Larry King clearly understood what Rick Warren was saying in an interview with him stating
“It’s very Eastern philosophy”.
Dr Mehemt Oz being a “TV personality” should be reconsidered by Rick Warren as being endorsed as he also encourages the use of Reiki Spiritual Techniques.
Some examples of Eastern concepts of which both his books are replete with are:
“Six secrets of friendship with God.” pg 87 Pdl
“Practising the presence of God is a skill” pg 89 Pdl (this is from Brother Lawrence.)
“Job was allowed to vent his bitterness…”pg 93 is total violence done by both The Message to scripture and Rick Warren also does violence even to the The Message. Double violence done.
Plus a plethora of other examples you need to examine yourselves.
Wait on a minute then. If Rick Warren has been endorsing, quoting authors that promote the type of silent, repetitive chanting, empty mind or “focused” meditation, psychological techniques and such to Christians through his books and programs, why does he double tongue us again like this:
“So when the Bible says meditate it’s not talking about zone-out in some psychic, New Age trance, or put your mind in neutral and contemplate your navel. Ommm.”
Is he for real? He even endorses the book “Spirit of the Disciplines” by Dallas Willard who has an endorsement on the back of his book from Sue Monk Kidd who was a Southern Baptist Sunday School teacher, read Thomas Merton and through this came to worship the goddess Sophia and claims that God is even in excrement.
That is very important because H P Blavatsky states in Isis Unveiled that every nation saw
“.. Sophia of the Gnostics or the Holy Ghost as a female principle.”pg 130 and her Secret Doctrine Volume 2 states “… Sophia (the Holy Ghost…) resides in the planet Venus or Lucifer.” pg 512.
When I later quote David Spangler you should be very concerned if you connect the dots.
I do not think we are hearing the truth here, just examine this letter from a clinical psychologist in Marilyn Ferguson’s book “The Aquarian Conspiracy”
“I’m very pleased at the direction my meditation has taken me and try to remember to “hasten slowly” on this path. Little by little we are permeating the clinical fabric of treatment here.” pg 96
These remarks came from a letter sent to the author of The Aquarian Conspiracy in response to a questionnaire sent out.
You will find throughout that “Little by little…” is the persistent catch cry of the conspiracy.
Rick Warren has taken several years since his Purpose books before introducing this new step in this Health direction.
Once again “The Aquarian Conspiracy” speaks about what Rick Warren is implementing well before his time saying
“Deep inner shifts may occur in response to disciplined contemplation, grave illness, wilderness treks, peak emotions, creative effort, spiritual exercises, controlled breathing, techniques for ‘inhibiting thought,’ psychedelics, movement, isolation, music, hypnosis, meditation, reverie, and in the wake of intense intellectual struggle.” pg 31
These are just some of which are being encouraged by churches and Rick Warren today.
It will not be long before you see the others come into the fray.
On one hand Rick Warren tells us one thing in Purpose Driven Life stating
“There are no rituals, ceremonies, or religion – just a simple loving relationship between God and the people He created.” pg 85
Then he contradicts himself and encourages us to disobey Jesus in his Purpose Driven Life saying
“… choose a brief sentence of a simple phrase that can be repeated to Jesus in one breath:” pg 89
Taking a scripture and repeating it is not Biblical Mediation just because the words you repeat are from the Bible. It is a ritual, it is his definition of “religion”. I mean what is the Rosary? Breath Prayers are a ritual.
What does scripture say about those who encourage others to do unrighteously?
“Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” Romans 1:32
Ironical the most religiously repeated prayer in Christianity is the Lord’s Prayer yet Jesus prefaced this prayer saying
“But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.” Matthew 6:7
How clearer can it be?
The Aquarian Conspiracy gives us good insight into the use of health in a deceptive manner to bring about a shift stating
”Concepts that might otherwise appear “far out” can be given legitimacy by a single federally funded program. The grant making apparatus of government determines fashion in some research fields… Government represents an incalculably large source of energy: people, money, authority. Political aikido, the power that comes from turning a potential opponent’s energy to one’s own advantage, can include the use of government funds, even defense grants, for humanistically oriented research and pilot projects.” Pg 236
This explains why science is starting to find and support Eastern and Hindu concepts.
During the first Parliament of World Religions conference Chicago in 1892 Swami Vivekananda stated that their purpose was ” society compounded of Western Science, Socialism and Indian Spirituality”.
See how all these things are coming together
“Masonry, not in anywise derogating from the differing duties which the diversity of states requires, tends to create a new people, which, composed of men of many nations and tongues, shall all be bound together by the bonds of science, morality, and virtue.”Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike
That is how science is pulling at one thread of the net being weaved together.
Instead of a pursuit of uncovering the wonders of God’s creation, it is now about proving God is in creation. They are looking right now to prove God in every cell and atom.
But also consider how morality is changing too.
“There will be no new world order without a new world ethic…” A Global Ethic for Global Politics and Economics by Hans Kung.
Values have to change. (They are already teaching a “values curricular” in Australian schools.)
In 1993 a Global Ethic was created and signatories to it came from the Parliament of the World’s Religions.
It is seriously considered as a foundation for developing an ethic for the United Religions Initiative which is a United Nations for Religions founded in the mid 1990’s.
Most of the structures are built and designed, it only requires pulling together.
The Aquarian Conspiracy then details a story of a program called “Human Goals” which was knocked back in 1975, where a virtually similar program was resold as “Leadership and Management Training”. It stating
“Matteson knew that he could never get away with teaching meditation to the navy. He knew that he was also unlikely to get approval for teaching the relaxation-response technique adapted by Herbert Benson of Harvard from Transcendental Meditation. .. they also brought in a Florida swim coach who had used the technique to train a university team. The meditative technique, cleansed of ideology, was a smash.” pg 236 – 237
Notice that initially when something is unpalatable, it must be made palatable. The war against the Saints is about “wearing them out” Daniel 7:25. “Wearing us down” mentally.
The word of God tells us
“Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;…” 2 Corinthians 10:5.
We immerse ourselves in the imaginings of people we do not know by watching TV and movies just for starters. Though we do not notice it they war against the spirit of God in us.
Meditation opens the doorway for the vain imaginings of the heart, undirected by intellect, even the suggestions of the “god of this world”.
Satanist Anton LaVey states
“Fantasy is a “magic weapon” in Satanism. Fantasy plays an important role in any religious curriculum for the subjective mind is less discriminating about the quality of it’s food than it is about the taste…”
Mystical experiences are the path of subjectivity.
Notice it is about taste. The gospel of Christ is unpalatable. It is hard if preached in truth as dying to self and taking up ones cross. It is an offence, and thus how many in the church want a mixed religion to make it more palatable?
Job 15:16 says
“How much more abominable and filthy is man, which drinketh iniquity like water?”
Iniquity tastes good to man. Eve saw that “it was good for food”, “pleasant to the eyes”, “would make her wise”.
Your own desires cannot be trusted.
The only source of trustworthy revelation is the Word of God, as it can be verified and has been verified over thousands of years and is verified in your life as you live it.
H P Blavatsky also claims even more vehemently
“… the only world of reality is the subjective.” pg 639 Isis Unveiled
So what Rick Warren is doing is following a pre-set plan, a script most likely written for him to follow regarding Purpose and Health.
Understand the pursuit for health is not wrong, but as a Pastor why is he not referring to the health God gives to us by seeking first His Kingdom?
Why is he not discussing the corrupt practices of corporate food giants, genetic engineering, chemicals, the illegality of the people to raise their own chickens, eggs, veggies and obtaining unpasteurised milk from farmers (in the US)?
What about in Australia. Lithgow council is following suit banning the growing of veggies and grazing of animals on land 5 acres or less (yes including domestic gardens), whilst the Australian Government discusses “food security”. Wake Up.
Rick Warren is not about you waking up. He is about you going to sleep.
See instead of leading his followers into actual truth he is leading them to the “spiritual” side of health in this manner.
“… the pursuit of health can lead to greater self-awareness. All wholeness is the same. The proliferating holistic health centers and networks have drawn many into the consciousness movement. A nurse said, ‘If healing becomes a reality with you, it’s a lifestyle. Altered states of consciousness accompany it, increased telepathy. It’s an adventure.'” The Aquarian Conspiracy pg 257 – 258.
By reading this, God has reminded me of my past, and from what He has led me from and to.
As you will see with all these new developments, The Daniel Health Plan is only the entry point to what is fully intended in ten to twenty years time.
When as Christian’s we have access to the throne at call, why then mess around with techniques to get you to an altered states of consciousness.
This desire to experience God is a lack of faith on our part. “I need to hear from you, I need to see you etc.” We experience God on His terms not ours, His timing not ours, if at all.
Many years ago when I was in my early 20’s I met a “Christian” girl who was experiencing spiritual issues.
I asked if she had been doing anything new and it turned out she was involved in some yoga and guided imagery. She was being taught by her English teacher during lunch.
She explained that she was to meet her guide and she went down a winding garden path into the centre of this rich beautiful garden.
At the middle of it she met her guide.
I asked her to describe the guide.
She said it was half man half animal. Had hoofs like a goat and horns.
I told her to wait and I went to get a role playing magazine I had filed away some years back and showed her the glossy front cover of Pan.
She said “How did you know?”.
I told her “I didn’t, God knew. You met Pan or Hermes.” He has many names but you met Lucifer / Satan.
She swallowed hard and said “My teacher said what I was doing was safe.”
Rick Warren can make light of the fact he is leading Christians into dangerous territory. It’s only going to see the demonic unleashed among the people of God. (Which will show they are not the people of God.)
We need to remember Balaam gifted as a prophet of God, was not able to place a curse on God’s people Israel, and so conspired with King Balack to find a way the people of God could curse themselves. After enticing Israel to fornicate with the women of Moab, and up until Phineas dealt with it, 24000 children of Israel had died by plague.
Whilst under the blood of Christ, should we be foolish to then tempt the grace of God and fornicate spiritually?
Many unacquainted with balanced Theology would forget or ignore Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5.
Ananias meaning Yahweh has graciously given. Yahweh also took away!
See I have had my experiences too, but in all occasions I have also had to apply them to scripture and not apply too much weight to them. Since the experiences I have had are quite extreme.
We cannot let experience undermine scripture. Instead experience tends to being puffed up, as being special, thinking you have special knowledge. “Knowledge puffeth up.”
As one occultist explained experience in this confronting manner.
“Lucifer is literally the angel of experience. Lucifer, then, is neither good or bad in his true essence. He is completely neutral. He is an agent of God’s love acting through evolution.” Reflections On The Christ by David Spangler
Stop pursuing experience and start pursuing God.
Rick Warren draws from the vain philosophies of men, men like this, or associated with men like this, be they, Psychologists, Management Guru’s, Mystic Occultists and worse, only using mistranslated and misconstrued scripture as a bludgeon to back up those philosophies which are obtained from men.
For example Rick Warren in his “Purpose Driven Life” states
“If I asked how you picture life, what image would come to your mind? That image is your life metaphor. It’s the view of life that you hold, consciously or unconsciously, in your mind… Your unspoken life metaphor influences your life more than you realize. It determines your expectations, your values, your relationships, your goals, and your priorities.” pg 41 – 42
And so to whom do we turn to obtain such sentiments?
Consider occult psychologist Carl Jung who also states
“An archetypal content expresses itself, first and foremost, in metaphors.” (“The Psychology of the Child Archetype,” CW 9i, par. 267)
“Archetypes are not inborn ideas, but “typical forms of behaviour which, once they become conscious, naturally present themselves as ideas and images, like everything else that becomes a content of consciousness.” (Collected Works 8, par. 435)
“Indeed, the fate of the individual is largely dependent on unconscious factors.” (“Conscious, Unconscious, and Individuation” CW 9) From Spiritual Cotton Candy, Stuart L. Brogden, November 2005
Rick Warren draws from Carl Jung in his psychological profiling.
The use of the “Four Temperaments” Melancholic, Sanguine, Phlegmatic and Choleric, derives from the ancient Galen and from Jung himself.
Tim La Hay also came out with a book called “The Four Temperaments” and I was involved in this nonsense when I was in the Pentecostal Church.
May I advise you investigate the occult and godless association to astrology that lye at the foundation of this system of thinking and how it’s expansion from 4 types to 16 types within personality profiling came about.
Amazingly Rick Warren has been questioned on this matter and the official response has been that he has not drawn from Carl Jung.
Who are they kidding? Read the back section of “Who’s Driving the Purpose Driven Church” by James Sundquist for more information. Also do your own investigation to find out whom Jung was in contact with spiritually.
He is another concealed mystic in Warrens books.
This is but one example of many that need to be understood.
Yet to be able to support such wisdom of men and vain philosophies, Rick Warren has had to choose from numerous Modern Translations. Even then with the vast choice available, he has to frequently do great violence to scripture wresting it out of shape, choose corrupt translations (even more corrupt than translations 20 years ago) citing chopped up then re-formed portions of verses and taking things completely out of context.
Such corrupt translations used are The Message, New Living Translation, Today’s English Version, God’s Word Translation, Contemporary English Version, Living Bible for example.
In all, 15 different translations are used in his book. These versions themselves contain, unbeknown to most Ministers of the gospel, let alone the average pew warmer, occult phrases only insiders know, abhorrent doctrines, and encourage sinful practices.
Rick Warren claims in his book, Purpose Driven Church, that the reason he hasn’t written a book before now is that he has been to busy living it.
Though this may be true, it is also true to say that 20 years ago his book would have been unacceptable to virtually ALL fundamental, and evangelical churches. With the adoption of new translations, the acceptance of dynamic equivalence, and the erosion of the knowledge base of the general church population, only now is it possible. Without this the only people his message would have resounded would have been those considered liberals, heretics or blasphemers. Without translations like “The Message” which he quotes from 100 times alone, he could not have provided his “proof texts”. (And that he does at a stretch.)
Let me give some brief examples of which there are hundreds (enough to run a course maybe called Modern Textual Corruption Techniques 101) but relevant to what I will be discussing.
Job 42:7 vs pg 93 Pdl “friend” and “venting” (I did not know venting to God was ok.)
Phil 3:15 vs pg 33 pdl “focused life”
Phil 3:13 vs pg 32 pdl “focused life”
Rom 8:5-13 vs pg
James 4:14 vs pg 41 “What is life?” NIV
Gen 6:8 vs pg 69 pdl Living bible. Grace removed. “Lord found pleasure in Noah.”
1 Thess 1:8 vs pg 289 msg “you are the message”
There are many many more.
These examples should be checked by
1.Checking what Rick Warren quotes.
2.Check the actual translation from which he says he quotes for the relevant quote.
3.Check this against other translations. More importantly check against the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.
This is laborious and tedious, but then that’s why deception works. They virtually depend on no one doing the hard yards.
Read “Redefining Christianity” by Bob DeWaay which discusses these and more scriptures.
Bob DeWaay, by the way, claims to have found only one proper exegesis of scripture by Warren and in turn asks a most pertinent question:
“If he is capable of expounding the truth of a passage accurately, what excuse does he have for not doing so with hundreds of other passages?” pg 126
Paul knew that even in his time there were those who could not or did not expound the truth correctly and called it for what it was saying he
“…renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully…” 2 Corinthians 4:2
Another issue related to textual corruption contemporaneous with the discussion at hand is concerning the utilisation of “paradigm shifting” within modern translations.
It is by no accident that the Jehovah’s Witnesses changed from the KJV to their New World Translation. This translation is based on a manuscript by Johannes Greber an ex Catholic priest turned medium who channelled the “correct” renderings.
I have personally been through the NIV and the New World Translation back in 1993 and found virtually no difference, to which there is good reason and a logical explanation which I can discuss at some other time.
In relation to the New World or New Order please examine Revelation 21:4 in the NIV.
It conveniently bends the meaning of prw/toj Protos being the first in rank or in contrast to e;scatoj Escatos being last or latter.
NIV
Revelation 21:4
“He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
KJV
Revelation 21:4
“And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
Equally Hebrews 9:10 again does violence to the Greek forcing NEW ORDER into the “translation” from dio,rqwsij diorthosis.
NIV
Hebrews 9:10
“They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings– external regulations applying until the time of the new order.”
KJV
Hebrews 9:10
“Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”
This of course means nothing like New Order, but at the very least a reordering to a former state like resetting a broken bone, to straighten thoroughly aka restoring man to a right condition with God ie: Jesus as the new Adam. The extent of violence to the text here is one of complete antithesis since it is inferring more akin to “finding the old paths and the old ways and walking in it” and Jesus’ “narrow way.” Most certainly not New Order.
Barnes Notes on Hebrews 9:10 says diorthosis means
“emendation, improvement, reform.” It refers to putting a thing in a right condition; making it better; or raising up and restoring what is fallen down.”
Jamieson Fausset Brown say on this
“… the season of rectification, when the reality should supersede the type (Hebrews 8:8-12). Compare “better,” Hebrews 9:23.” Volume 2
Again this is not proposing something New but something better, or fulfilled.
Do you see the “counter reformation here”?
This is an intentional, subtle preparation of the mind for NIV readers to become more familiar and more comfortable with the term New Order thus New World Order.
(I bring out this particular issue because as you will see it directly relates to the “Purpose”.)
It becomes more critical to understand that the foundations of our modern Greek text and theory of criticism laid by the widely respected Westcott and Hort by which ALL modern translations are dependant, becomes central to this discussion upon the discovery that they and certain other eminent “Christian” scholars of the 1800’s were involved in founding Occult Mystical groups and working hand in hand with New World Order proponents and for a New World Order and World Religion!
This though is a matter far to grand a scale to discuss here but it does not surprise me to find Rick Warrens opinion of scripture to be merely “advisory” since his Saddleback Church creed calls the Bible a “guidebook” and he states in Purpose Driven Life
“No matter how wonderful a translation, it has limitations. The Bible was originally written using 11,280 Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words, but the typical English translation uses only around 6,000 words.” pg325
No wonder his Bible is only a guidebook since the “reformation” had one with 12,143 different English words in it not his “around 6,000 words”. That’s why the limitations of the KJV exceeds 400 years whilst we have over 300 modern bibles in less than 130 years. (Please understand, examining the original languages is still critical, as a translation is not inspiration.)
Even the Assyrian Church in the Middle East claims preservation of the pure word of God. One without limitations.
Is the church so dumbed down to not know when they are being duped, or at the very least “being made merchandise of”? Just take the “New” NIV for example.
In fact there are 8,674 different Hebrew words in the Bible, 5,624 different Greek words.
That’s over 14,000 Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek words, but I guess PhD truly does mean doctored.
Thus picking and choosing verses, making your own translation, or in the case of Rick Warren picking his translation in every instance where it proves his point or wrenching even his translation of choice out of alignment to meet his opinion clearly shows what he is about.
He continues
“Second, and even more important, is the fact that we often miss the full impact of familiar Bible verses, not because of poor translating, but because they have become so familiar.” pg 325
There are serious deep problems to this statement.
The primary “official” reason for over 300 modern translations in English is to make the Bible “more readable” specifically and originally to “Modern Christians” and now with Dynamic Equivalency Theory to the “unchurched”. (People not called by the Father unto the Son)
(This of course has proven the opposite. Christians are more carnal then ever, churches are more carnal than ever, and Christians know less and less of the Word of God year by year.)
This makes the same false assumption as Rick Warren and his idea of reaching the “unchurched”.
The same false assumption the Government has in regards to Drugs and Sex. Education, they think, is the answer. By being able to connect with these people so they understand, people will not do drugs and the like.
By making the Bible or Church more relevant, people will then “understand” and want to “live for Jesus”.
This discounts the fact that some are ordained for destruction from the foundation of the Earth.
If experience is the “gold standard” (since we can’t say exactly what the word of God is… right), then my experience proves Rick Warren wrong. The more I read scripture (and it becomes more familiar) the more I perceive.
It at times appears like a deep pool of water that I could almost dive into and never fathom its depth, breadth or width.
I am inclined to think Mr Warren does not “get” scripture himself, and like many translators treat the bible as a book like Plato’s “Republic” or Shakespere’s “Macbeth” where an editor might find it a fresh change to make an abridged version. (Like Thomas Jefferson did with the Gospels.)
Some people do not take the warnings in the Old and New Testament about mishandling God’s Word seriously.
See it isn’t about finding the point of singularity or some generative principle, that we get from a passage. As we grow in Christ and dive into the eternal depths of His Word we find eternal truth, amazing discoveries that connect to all God has created, how prophecy has been fulfilled and is being fulfilled, and how we should live.
Even my comments though cannot do justice for what is contained in His Word.
Further more Rick Warren does not even appeal to Greek or Hebrew clearly because this would prove him desperately wrong and would simply solve the “need for multiple translations” in the first place.
Examine some of the books I can provide for examples of his treacherous use of scripture.
Another reason for using paraphrases is as he says
“… in order to help you see Gods truth in new fresh ways.” pg 325
Please tell me how is this different from the deception in the garden. The serpent was only helping Eve see Gods truth in a fresh new way. According to the serpent, God was holding Eve back from a greater Purpose. That she could become god.
Equally Rick Warren does the same, turning the gospel upside down from God centred to man centred. Is this the “fresh new way” you wish to walk?
His picking and choosing translations and smaller excepts from verses is not unlike the way a cult operates and even a glib examination of how he runs his Saddleback Church shows strong evidence of Cult Control.
It would be time well spent to examine Robert J Lifton’s 8 points of Mind Control in his book “Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism—A Study of Brainwashing in China.”
These consist of
1) Milieu Control,
2) Mystical Manipulation,
3) Demand for Purity,
4) Cult of Confession,
5) Sacred Science,
6) Loading the Language,
7) Doctrine over Person,
8) Dispensing of Existence.
It is also worth examining others on this topic to gain greater insight on this matter.
This is very concerning because Rick Warrens reach is immense. Over 400,000 pastors just to start with. These are old figures.
This is how change is affected.
Trickle down of teaching from the top to the grass roots.
Ministers attending conferences, with various speakers whose real backgrounds and influences no one knows and no one investigates (nor has the time to investigate), these new teachings are brought to the church and infects the members and cross infects to other ministers who network with other ministers. Thus the importance for increased connections so change can occur.
It can also operate from the grass roots up. Who is your congregation listening to?
For example in one survey conducted,
“36% of total ministerial respondents indicated that they ran a Purpose Driven campaign because of contact with other ministers who used Purpose Driven material. Another 19% indicated it was due to an organised campaign in the area, whilst another 8% indicated Denominational Leaders encouraged them to run the campaign, and 6% took up the campaigns due to denominational literature.” ( An Analysis of Rick Warren’s 40-Days of Purpose Movement by Mike McMullen, University of Houston-Clear Lake and William Kilgore, University of Houston-Clear Lake)
This is a total of 69% of ministers indicating their Purpose Driven Campaign was run due to external recommendations or influences. How many of these took the recommendation on good faith?
That is why networking is such a central theme of Rick Warren. Such strong sentiments about networking were expressed at Beyond All Limits Pastors Conference launching the GPN (Global Pastors Network) of which Rick Warren was a speaker with Jerry Falwell, Joe Stowell, Gary Smalley, Joseph Trask, Jack Hayford and Promise Keeper’s Bill McCartney where it was said,
“In the future those who are not networking will not be working.”
Starting to sound like a Workers Union Movement who will put Pastors out of work who don’t join up.
Networking is critical to the “evolution” of mankind into the New Age.
“Networks are the strategy by which small groups can transform an entire society” The Aquarian Conspiracy by Marlyn Ferguson pg 214.
The Networking links between the apostates of modern Christendom are quite astounding and defined. But we will see the connections soon enough.
With everyone expounding the benefits of growth this University survey discovered
“Less than 5% of respondents indicated that FDP resulted in church growth or increased membership.” ( An Analysis of Rick Warren’s 40-Days of Purpose Movement by Mike McMullen, University of Houston-Clear Lake and William Kilgore, University of Houston-Clear Lake)
Yet proponents of “The Purpose Driven Church” expound the phenomenal growth of the movement.
In all truth though, whose statistics can you believe? How many joining these churches have merely left other Biblical Churches thereby shrinking them further whilst bloating another Spiritual Franchise? We all know that statistics can prove and disprove a fact simultaneously. So lets not listen to statistics, but rather ascertain truth.
Looking at the official definition of Church Growth from the American Society of Church Growth
“A discipline which investigates the nature, expansion, planting, multiplication, function and health of Christian churches as they relate to the effective implementation of Christ’s commission to ‘make disciples of all peoples.’ Church growth advocates strive to integrate the eternal theological principles of God’s Word concerning the expansion of the the Church with the best insights of contemporary social and behavioural sciences, employing employing as the initial frame of reference, the foundational work done by Donald McGavran.”
What part of that implementation is not adding to God’s Word?
So what then is the Purpose of the Bible? Social Change and Behavioural Change of “all peoples”, whilst those not “changed” classified as not being disciples?
On a video from Saddleback Church Rick Warren says
“The purpose of the Bible is Life Change. It is not doctrine, it is not reproof, it is not correction, it is not training in righteousness, the purpose of the Bible is Life Change.” Preaching for Life Change 2001
Let me explain that the key in understanding where Warren obtains his “Biblical” validation, from the video just quoted, is from the Greek word i[na “hina” which is rendered that or “so that” to“denote purpose, aim, or goal”.
On this point Rick Warren is correct, but that is where it ends, because he then makes a fantastic leap beyond faith in application by making this the be all and end all of everything here right now on earth. He applies this “change” which is only a godly change in believers by the Holy Spirit through the washing of the Word, to everyone via the implementation of human methods, facilitated by human leaders to “change” in accordance to human goals and human outcomes!
This is why he has spoken on purpose to churches, businesses, sports organisations, military institutions, movers and shakers of politics and countless non Christian audiences.
It is the bait and switch.
He gets you on board with scriptural justification of “purpose” then uses that purpose for a completely different end. A Life Change not built upon scripture, not upon Doctrine, Reproof, Correction nor Righteousness. Instead Change hanging in the vast universe of nothingness, a void to be filled by the vain imaginings of whomsoever.
The implications of which we will see later.
For us to blindly accept the use of Rick Warren’s “i[na” “hina” or “Purpose” as millions have done in the church, is no different to those same persons accepting the use of Jimmy Page’s “sw,|zw” “sozo” or “to save”. Just because it is a Greek word found in the New Testament doesn’t mean it is being used Biblically.
Rick Warren also has had the influence of church growth teacher Donald McGavran and was prayed over by W.A.Criswell (deceased), Pastor of First Baptist Church of Dallas, one of the largest churches at the time and writer of the Foreword to Purpose Driven Church.
Rick Warren and the purpose that drives him: An insider looks at the phenomenal bestseller. Richard Abanes. Also stated in Purpose Driven Church. See Rick Warren and the purpose that drives him: An insider looks at the phenomenal bestseller. Richard Abanes. Also stated in Purpose Driven Church.
Kent Hovind video CSE 03 – 9 states that Pastor Criswell of First Baptists Church Dallas is a Freemason, whilst speaking well of him.
Donald McGavran claimed that People groups become Christian as on a “wave of decision for Christ”, that “sweeps through the group mind” causing a “chain reaction” as “each decision sets off others and the sum total powerfully effects every individual”, He notes that when “conditions are right” that “the entire group decides together”. I have seen the similar occurrences at Christian rock concerts like “Youth Alive” where friends would be both influenced by the emotion of the environment and pressure from their peers resulting in a temporary “decision” by actually displaying some form of hypnosis or artificial “mind change” which took place and wore off some weeks later like a drug making them twice the child of hell.
I have seen at least 100 persons who have gone through the “turnstiles” of church only to never be reachable again. “I tried Jesus and it didn’t work.” or “I accepted Jesus, I’m saved.”
This even sounds like the phenomenon called “the Toronto Blessing”.
In this event it spread from groups to individuals then to other non present groups round the world like a cold or disease.
Criswell, we are told, looked at Rick Warren and proclaimed,
“I feel I need to lay hands on you and pray! Father, I ask you to give this young preacher double the portion of Your Spirit. May the church he pastors grow twice the size of the Dallas church. Bless him greatly, O Lord” (Mair, 2005: 54). A life with purpose: The story of the man behind The Purpose Driven Life. George Mair, also in Purpose Driven Church.
This greatly distresses my heart seeing the facts and then hearing Criswell pray over him as though he was Elijah and Warren was Elisha aka “double portion”.
This is also so very “pentecostal”.
What do you make of the fact that his prayer came true? Is this God speaking through
Criswell? Is this Criswell speaking through Criswell, or secret societies speaking through him. I dare not take it further than that though after all I have seen it could be worse. Maybe Warren is exaggerating which is a polite way of saying he’s lying?
These changes in the focus of how to operate church and using scripture to meet the “felt needs” and experience which is in all reality the irreligious multitudes who seek bread for the belly not the bread of life, is the first step in preparation to taking a more pantheistic view of God and faith, because like the sermon that I heard that Sunday led to a “I have my truth and you have your truth” situation so in the words of Mr Warren at the 2009 Islamic Society Convention “why don’t we just get along”.
I am almost certain this shows significant influence that comes from reading Warrens material.
I say this because I am deeply concerned you are being unwittingly coerced down the wrong path.
This is the evangelical half way house to the Word Faith Movement and makes sense of Warrens involvement with David Paul Yonggi Cho of the Yiddo Full Gospel Fellowship South Korea.
This is about preparation to buy into the coming “Paradigm Shift” a term pilfered by Rick Warren and coined in The Aquarian Conspiracy by Maryln Ferguson written in 1980.
She said that this Paradigm Shift would come about by New Age philosophies reaching “critical mass” and that mankind would move from being Homo Sapien to Homo Noeticus. ie: an evolutionary leap that will take place into the New Age.
Look up the US Congress which proposed adoption of the Noahide Laws.
This of course if we wanted to deceive others in the church it could be re termed “The New Man”.
Nietzche wrote in the late 1880’s that
“… a dominating race can grow up only out of terrible and violent beginnings”.
Beginnings Nietzche seemed to know, in hindsight, all to intimately stating
“… there will be wars the like of which have never yet been seen on earth.”
and yet quite accepting outcomes
“with tremendous expenditures of human lives.”
stating it
“… would not strike me as undesirable”.
Jesuit, Tielhard De Chardin stated in a letter from India
‘There are , in fact, human groups that differ biologically and physically, and they can be ‘converted’ only by first transforming them within the human plane. I believe such a convergence to be possible.” Teilhard Letters from a Traveller pg 216 December 19, 1935.
This of course is what Maryln Ferguson writes that those who are involved in this conspiracy to usher in “Homo novus – a new human being” ie “new man” are:
“Doctors… educators… legislators…economists…captains of industry… foundation officials… university programmers… artists, musicians… publishers… television producers… A surprising clutch of celebrities. Scions of Old American Wealth. Ex-political radicals, minus their rhetoric, now in positions of influence… and…”“Maverick theologians and members of the clergy… ponder[ing] the ‘new spirituality’.” Video: The New Age, Rick Warren and the Great Falling Away Pastor Hoggart quoting The Aquarian Conspiracy. Pg 63 (Quote Validated)
That is what the Matrix is about. Neo’s plugged in name is Anderson.
In Latin Ander means Man. Neo means new and thus we have the – New Son of Man.
The Aquarian Conspiracy has been clearly plagiarised by Rick Warren in his Purpose books, especially the terms used throughout. Of course Christians would not know this because they should be steering well clear of books of this ilk. Unfortunately we no longer have the luxury for the sake of the sheep to be ignorant of Satan’s devices.
Paul the Apostle even said “… we are not ignorant of Satan’s devices” unfortunately though, today, it appears we are.
America has been the keystone for change. This is why it was called the New World and this is why now the whole world sings the same chorus of “The New World Order”.
The Aquarian Conspiracy clarifies
“When a television interviewer asked Revel in 1978 for his current assessment of the potential for transformation in America, he said, “The United States is still the most revolutionary country in the world, the laboratory for society. All the experiments—social, scientific, racial, intergenerational—are taking place in the U.S .” pg 131
You can include Church in that list. Yet Marilyn Ferguson gets more pointed in declaring from exactly the location the change would come.
“If America is free, California is freer. If America is open to innovation, innovation is California’s middle name. California is not so much different from the rest of the country as it is more so, a writer observed as early as 1883. California is a preview of our national paradigm shifts as well as our fads and fashions.” pg 132
It is this then that leads me to question why Rick Warren found of all places to start a church, a place which is clearly “over churched” by big name Church Leaders, even by Rick Warren’s own admission. He lists
“Chuck Swindoll, Chuck Smith, Robert Schuller, John MacArthur, E.V. Hill, John Wimber, Jack Hayford, Lloyd Ogilvie, Charles Blake, Greg Laurie, Ray Ortland, or John Huffman. If you timed your arrival right, you could hear two or three of these guys on Sunday morning… In addition, there were at least two dozen solid Bible teaching churches in Saddleback Valley when I arrived.” pg 38 Purpose Driven Church.
Yet he is “called” to start a church in Orange County California by God at the end of December 1979. (pg 34 and 36 of Purpose Driven Church). The very state mentioned in The Aquarian Conspiracy published in 1980 where all the “national paradigm shifts” would derive.
So it has to be asked, was is God or was it orchestrated by “higher powers” known or unbeknown to Mr Warren?
Again more similarities to The Aquarian Conspiracy:
The “statements of purpose” of some of the transformation oriented publications are clear about their commitment. pg 130
See the Transformation Orientated Publications are also “Purpose Driven”, like
East/West Journal, based in the Boston area, expresses an intention to
“explore the dynamic equilibrium that unifies apparently opposite values: Oriental and Occidental, traditional and modern . . . W e believe in people’s freedom to chart the course of their lives as a boundless adventure…. We invite you to join us in this voyage of discovery, whose point of origin is everywhere and whose goal is endless.”
New Dimensions Foundation in San Francisco, which produces a syndicated radio show featuring interviews with the leading spokespeople on the subject of transformation, launched an “audio journal”—tape cassettes edited from its tens of thousands of hours of interviews, dating back to 1973.
New Dimension’s purpose is
“to communicate the vision and the infinite possibilities of human potential… to use the media to present new ideas, new choices, new options, new solutions… to promote more communication about the nature of personal and social change.” pg 130 – 131
You can see this for yourselves. The one point I wish to highlight is “human potential” which is the common denominator between Rick Warren, Robert Schuller and Norman Vincent Peale.
As I read The Aquarian Conspiracy with all this “Warren” info in my head after a good 2 months research, I could not possibly see how he did not read this book. It is all over him, he is all over it, they reference many of the same people, discuss the same things, in the same ways, in the same language. This tells me this is the same spirit. I can even “feel” it in my bones … (JOKE aka experience)
Thus it appears plagiarism is an important marker of Rick Warrens Ministry which you will see much more evidence.
This is why Rick Warren stated this in regards to plagiarism on www.preaching.com
“Plagiarism is borrowing from one person, research is borrowing from five, and borrowing from ten or more is sheer creativity! Creativity is the art of concealing your source! It is forgetting where you got it.” Purpose Driven Preaching: An Interview with Rick Warren by Michael Duduit September 1st 2001
So I guess Rick Warren has read so many New Age Occult books that he forgets which ones he has obtained his world view from? That and he claims to be an artist “concealing his source”.
Did God call artists to be imaginative with His Word?
Don’t you think you as a Christian have a right to know from where Rick Warren is getting his ideas and teachings?
Don’t you think that concealment is a trait of a deceiver, someone who has a clandestine objective to achieve by keeping others in the shadow of ignorance?
Do you think for a minute he could have obtained his doctorate without referencing his sources?
Would such an attitude wash when obtaining a PhD, or even a degree?
It is such shifty behaviour that leads us to getting a handle on what is meant by some of Rick Warren’s blatant statements regarding “Paradigm Shift”, claiming
“I preach on repentance every single Sunday without using the word because the word is misused today, it is misunderstood. So I talk about changing your mind and I talk about paradigm shift.” Purpose Driven Preaching and Interview with Rick Warren by Michael Duduit Preaching Magazine September – October 2001.
Consider the similarity between that statement by Rick Warren and a Psychologist quoted in the Aquarian Conspiracy
“When you develop liaisons… it’s critical that you speak the right language. If I talked yin and yang to most neurosurgeons, they wouldn’t hear me. I talk the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.” pg 258
This is in normal circles called dishonesty and deception.
If Rick Warren doesn’t like words that are misused, then he should stop using just about every word we have in the Bible. Everything is misused and misunderstood. It’s his job to use it correctly and teach so people understand how to use it properly. This is merely a lame excuse to bring in “damnable heresies and doctrines”. Just try changing “repentance” in the Bible to “Paradigm Shift”. They DO NOT mean the same thing.
This is a Strawman which Rick Warren is setting up as a burning distraction because what he is teaching is exactly what he wants taught.
The truth is “Paradigm Shift” is a term in itself that is misused and misunderstood. Why would you exchange a Biblical term for a misunderstood occult term?
Consider Marlyn Fergusons book “Aquarian Conspiracy” again
“A new world, as the mystics have always said, is a new mind.” pg 36
The Greek for repentance may mean to change one’s mind, but the Hebrew also means regret and to be comforted.
“Our culture is falling apart. If you are not preaching repentance in your message you’re not preaching. No matter what we cover it has got to come back to change your mind, because your mind controls your life.”Purpose Driven Preaching and Interview with Rick Warren by Michael Duduit Preaching Magazine September – October 2001
To “find repentance” which Esau could not find with many tears, is about being wrung out over one’s sins and cursed state with God, in such a wretched and desperate state, till you find peace with God and empowerment to go on in newness of life. But how does one find “a paradigm shift with many tears”?
If Paradigm Shift is a change of mind, people change their mind everyday in which scripture describes such a condition as “blown by every wind of doctrine.”
So when Rick Warren says
“The new words for repentance are paradigm shift… Pastors we are in the paradigm shifting business.”
We can see more clearly of what spirit he is of.
New words Mr Warren says? Alice Bailey explains again why we have so many “buzz” words in our church let alone society.
“Members of the New Group of World Servers learn mostly through the ear and through that careful attention which comes from an inner attitude of constant listening. They are unfolding that spiritual perception which is latent but unused in the average man. They have to catch the new Words of Power as they come forth from the centre of spiritual light and force in the world and, at the same time, they must be attentive to the cry of humanity as it voices its highest hopes, longings and desires. This attitude of listening and of a subsequent prompt readjustment of the inner, received commands, is characteristic of the New Group of World Servers. The mass of people whom they will eventually gather around them must be taught, and learn through the eye, through the printed page, and later through a sensing of the vision. These two points must be remembered in planning the work and in finding the workers.” pg 322 – 323 Esoteric Psychology Vol 2 by Alice Bailey.
So then is Rick Warren a “Member of the New Group of World Servers”?
I have encountered many key terms utilised in the church. You have to ask what is the purpose of them. Such as “breakthrough”, “what’s in your hand”, “revival”, etc and I am sure you can mind storm at least 10.
Let’s try “PURPOSE” for example as a Word of Power as defined by Alice Bailey.
“Group initiation means that the bulk of the members are correctly oriented; that they are proposing to accept the discipline which will prepare them for the next great expansion of consciousness, and that none of them can possibly be deviated from their purpose (note that word with its first ray or Shamballic implications), no matter what is happening in their environment or their personal life. You need to reflect on this if you desire to make the needed progress.” pg 20Rays and Initiations: A Treatise on the seven rays Volume 5 by Alice Bailey
(NB: I have only emboldened the text here this is in the original!)
If you have not done so already please start taking notes.
“Purpose” is a Word of Power and has Shamballic implications.
The First Ray is called by Alice Bailey “the ray of the destroyer” pg 27 Esoteric Psychology
Volume 1, which is “the work of antichrist” pg 44 Esoteric Psychology Volume 1.
This will make sense all too soon.
What is really being communicated when Warren says this? On one hand he says “if your not preaching repentance your not preaching” but he also says when he preaches repentance he preaches “paradigm shift”. I see a double movement here (Rugby term), a travel (basketball term), a foul (soccer term) or TILT (a pinball term), for those of you who know more about sport, entertainment and past times than scripture.
Peter Drucker, Rick Warrens mentor for 20 years says
“The most important thing in communication is to hear what isn’t being said.”
This is also called reading between the lines.
So what is a shift?
Webster’s dictionary states that the noun Shift means
1 a : a means or device for effecting an end b (1) : a deceitful or underhand scheme
So now repentance is just an end or about being underhanded with God is it?
Put this in perspective with what Warren claimed
“… Pastors are the most strategic change agents to deal with the problems society faces.” pg 20 Purpose Driven Church
A Pastor IS NOT a change Agent or a Paradigm Shifter! A Pastor is responsible to feed the flock, any Shifting, or Changing, or Transitioning comes from Hirelings or a wicked shepherd, and is a usurpation of the role of the Holy Spirit who does the changing. This is why for Rick Warren plagiarism is creative concealment of 10 or more sources.
The Aquarian Conspiracy though states
“Entrepreneurs, Schwartz said, are “the poets and packagers of new ideas, both visualizers and actualizers.” Historically, in a time of cultural change, a new type of entrepreneur emerges to embody the vision with services and products. He pointed to the burgeoning demand for human development courses as an example of service needs little known a decade ago… The entrepreneur is the new non-violent Change Agent. pg355
So then you will see when this links up with Peter Drucker later on that Rick Warren is in fact an Entrepreneur, generating a market for a repackaged Christianity which is no Christianity at all.
He is offering spiritual services and products, he has a vision and his goal is attaining human potential through his Purpose Driven Life and Church.
Pastors are not responsible for changing society. If this happens it is merely a side effect of the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of people, not a human generated agenda.
Here we go again. The Church working with government and pushing a mutual agenda. Back to the Dark Ages (real historians don’t call it that do they) where Kings and potentates worked with the Roman Catholic Church.
We are entering a new Dark Age.
Jesus said “Feed my sheep” not “change my sheep”. That is why true sheep are not welcome at Purpose Driven Churches. Their minds are not for the changing, for they have already been affected by the Spirit of God and undergoing the “renewing of the mind.” conforming to the likeness of Christ.
Zechariah 11:15-17
“And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd. For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.”
God is not blind to what is happening today! The cry for being contemporary and relevant comes from either deceivers who know what they are doing or the ignorant who do not see how the Word of God speaks directly to this very day and this very people and is already relevant.
Look at the symbolism within that passage just quoted and in our world.
What do you understand by “his right eye shall be utterly darkened?”
Please let me refer you to the symbolism of occultists, the eye of Horus, the American dollar note, and all the derivative myths found in popular movies today that depict this legend including The Passion by Mel Gibson.
(For your information I wish to make it clear that I have discovered a church in the REMOVED which teaches that the eye on the American dollar note is the eye of God which is also taught in the Roman Catholic Church. They also teach that the New
World Order is the kingdom of God coming on Earth. One of a number of elements that will be slowly joined together along with British Israelism and Christlam. This is a patch work quilt. What you disagree with today, your children will believe tomorrow.
Another church I have attended had a couple of new songs that familiarise the people with the terms New Order or a sermon on Superior Order which is a Tibetan Buddhist idea, taught and sung as a godly thing. I also had this church have Warrenist Doctrines preached from the pulpit even down to his favourite scriptures and terms and yet his name was not mentioned once. Yet it was stated in my first attendance they were not into Warren.
Such deception deeply distresses me.
God knows what the wicked do. He has their measure.
Jeremiah 50:6-8
“My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place. All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the LORD, the habitation of justice, even the LORD, the hope of their fathers. Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks.”
Feed the Sheep not Change the Sheep.
Change Agent was a term first used by John Dewey (again check him out to understand why each generation seems more clueless) who founded Outcome Based Education. Interestingly Rick Warren is founding Purpose (Outcome) Based Churches.
A change agent is someone whose agenda is the implementation of a change of mind without an individual, or people group realising a change has taken place.
Bill Hybels also sees himself as an “agent of Change”.
Is this not “Unperceived Ideological Transhipment” or “Transitioning” and the other gamut of terms used to communicate the exact same thing?
If you are incapable of seeing or sensing what is coming understand you are not supposed to know the next series of “changes” to come.
“At any point in time, the management team only needs to know enough to take the next steps towards achieving it’s goals” The Change Agents Handbook 1994
Very few are allowed to know the “end game”. Even scripture warns us we do not know where their end comes from.
Proverbs 24:21-24
“My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change: 22 For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?”
The transitioning from scripture across from doctrine to experience is a process that effects a huge proportion of the church today.
Has Rick Warren been transitioned by what he has read or is his job to transition what is left of Biblical Christianity?
Christian author Texe Marrs puts it well writing,
“… feelings, voiced by so many who have received a Luciferic Initiation, are significant. They point to two inescapable facts: (1) The initiate recognizes that he is coming into close contact with dark, evil forces, and a spirit of fear engulfs him; and (2) after the initiation, his mind is patently altered. This is what New Agers call the Kundalini or Shaktipat experience, technically termed a Paradigm (World-view) Shift.”
Also called Chi, Qi, Prana, Life Force, and depicted as the serpent coiled at the base of your spine.
So why does scripture warn us about listening to the serpent, the Adversary, Satan?
Maybe Jeremiah 17:9 applies very relevantly to this very point
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?.”
Wasn’t the serpent the most subtle beast of the field? Then watch out for subtleties.
There is relationship between the two?
Do you think what Rick Warren teaches now is what he will be teaching in 20 years?
Do you think your such a superhero that you won’t be boiled in the pot of water like the proverbial frog?
We react now to the warnings or we will be amazed at what heresy, blasphemy and iniquity will we drink down.
Why does Rick Warren act contrary to Jeremiah 17:9 stating in Purpose Driven Church
“It is my deep conviction that anybody … can be won to Christ if you discover the felt needs to his or her heart. That key to each person’s heart is … sometimes difficult to discover. It may take some time to identify it. But the most likely place to start is with the person’s felt needs. As I pointed out earlier, this was the approach Jesus used.” pg. 219
What he is describing is what advertisers do. Appeal to our fleshly nature to get our attention and play us for fools. That is what Satan does.
Jesus was not about finding the needs of each persons heart.
Firstly being the Word of God it would be hypocritical for Jesus to think men’s hearts were deceitful and wicked and yet appeal to the lusts of the heart.
Secondly the people came to hear Him because He spoke with authority, it was rumoured that He might be the Messiah, and people liked His stories. When He told them the truth they all walked away, bar the disciples. Do you see Rick Warren or any pastor of some monstrosity of a church who now “needs” those whose “felt needs” were met and reeled in, now getting straight with 10,000 or more members and telling them “right enough hangers on, these are the real facts of the gospel!”
1 Do you think a human being with 10,000 people supplying all their ministries financial needs according to their riches in the bank would risk the loss of all those present and jeopardising their “great ministry” so dependant on those financial contributions? Thus loose face with their peers?
2 Do you think if they did this they would not perform untold damage to thousands by openly displaying themselves as deceivers and hucksters. Just like every cult behaves!
The lie once started must be continued to maintain it’s benefits.
Examine Matthew 6 which refutes this teaching and shows that Rick Warren is placing the cart before the horse.
“Seek ye first mans felt needs and the kingdom will be given to you” is what one would think his Bible says.
Instead consider Matthew 6:31-32
“Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.”
Why is Rick Warren concerned with that the “Gentiles” are concerned with?
Why is everything turned on it’s head? Unless there is as previously stated transitioning a congregation into a changed mind. A Worldly Mind.
Please don’t get me wrong here, it is possible you yourself have been “transitioned” or are currently undergoing such a process. This depends on how long the “Purpose” books have been an influence not including other possible contributing influences and personalities, which are very likely.
One bizarre “shift” mentioned by Mac Dominick author of the book “Rebuilding the Tower of Babel: The Dark Side of the Purpose Driven Church” follows:
“Without doubt, many sermons have been preached from the pulpits of Bible-believing churches that have characterized the Tower of Babel as an example of rebellion against God and the object of His judgment. However, on October 30-31, 2004, the pulpit of Saddleback Community Church (Southern Baptist Convention) in south Orange County, California, was in all likelihood the first ecclesiastical location in history from which the Tower of Babel would be presented as an example of what individual members of the Church could accomplish when functioning in concert.”
This is an astounding shifting of the emphasis of what this story teaches. It teaches rebellion, Warren sells it as “opportunity”.
Such mental gymnastics is akin to Mormonism which teaches that the fall was a good thing. Eve taking the fruit of the tree of knowledge was a good thing.
When Mormons say that listening to the serpent was a fortunate turn of events, you would call them heretics, when Rick Warren states that what Nimrod did was an example of what people can do for God, how then is there an aversion from saying the same?
One such New Age author, listening to his spirit guide, whom is later proved as being plagiarised by Rick Warren, states identically as the Mormon doctrine
“… [Adam and Eve] are said to have committed Original Sin. I tell you this; it was the Original Blessing. For without this event, the partaking of the knowledge of good and evil, you would not even know the two possibilities existed!” pg 57 Conversations with God: An Uncommon Dialogue, Book 2 by Neale Donald Walsch
Yet as bizarre as this is it is equalled at Anaheim Angels Stadium 17th April 2005 when Warren speaking to 45,000 Saddleback members, during the 33rd minute into his speech says:
“What is the vision for the next 25 years? It is the total expansion of the kingdom of God. It is the total mobilisation of His Church… And the third part is the dream of a radical devotion of every believer. Now I choose that word radical intentionally because only radicals change the world… Everything great done in this world is done by passionate people. Moderate people get moderately nothing done, and moderation will never slay the global giants.” Then at minute 48 says “In 1939, in a stadium much like this, in Munich Germany… they packed it out with young men and women in brown shirts… for a fanatical man standing behind a podium named Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil… And in that stadium those in brown shirts formed with their bodies a sign that said… Hitler we are yours. And they nearly took the world. Lenin once said give me 100 committed, totally committed men… and I’ll change the world, and they nearly did. A few years ago they took the sayings of Chairman Mao, in China and put them in a little red book… and a group of young people committed them to memory and put them in their minds… and they took that nation, the largest nation in the world by storm… because they committed to memory the sayings of the Chairman Mao. When I hear those kind of stories, I think, ‘what would happen if American Christians, if world Christians… if just the Christians in this stadium, followers of Christ, would say ‘Jesus we are yours’? What kind of spiritual awakening would we have?… Minute 51 “Jesus said ‘I want you to do this publicly.’ So what I want you to do is take the card… and in just a minute you are willing to say ‘Rick, I am willing to serve God’s purposes in my generation.’ I want you to open up to the sign ‘what ever it takes’, what ever it takes. And I just want you to say ‘This is my commitment, before God and before everybody else. I’m in. And I would invite you just to stand quietly and hold up ‘whatever it takes’… I’m looking at a stadium full of people who are saying ‘what ever it takes’ God.”
This is first and foremost a group mind control activity that is coercive at best.
Secondly “Global Giants” is a term Rick Warren says
“… is the problem of Conflict… The second big problem that is all around the world is corruption… The third biggest problem on the planet is poverty… The fourth big problem is disease… the 5th biggest problem is Illiteracy.”
I do not see preaching the gospel in there at all! What about the Fatherless and Widows? I do not see Warren’s Global Giants as God’s idea of what is important.
Warren has a serious issue with understanding the purpose of the church.
The Theosophists have a purpose for the church and so does Satan. It appears Rick
Warren has their same purpose too.
Alice Bailey said
“I write for the generation which will come… at the end of this century.”
pg 57 Rays and Initiations: A Treatise on the seven rays Volume 5 by Alice Bailey.
In so much that
“… the Plan can be rightly materialised at the close of this century and the beginning of the next see the purposes of God for the planet and for humanity assume right direction and proportion.” Destiny of Nations by Alice Bailey pg 11
The purpose of a different god.
You need to understand this Purpose. Quoting from Neale Donald Walsch who is quoted by Rick Warren (I show this later) he is told by his spirit guide
“Now your thought that Hitler was a monster is based on the fact that he ordered the killing of millions of people, correct?… Yet what if I told you that what you call ‘death’ is the greatest thing that could happen to anyone-what then?” Neale Donald Walsch, Conversations with God Book 2 pg 36.
As you find out more about Walsch and Warren this will compound the shock.
Alice Bailey’s attitude to death is frightfully pragmatic stating
“… let us never forget that it is the Life, its purpose and its directed intentional destiny that is of importance; and also that when a form [human body] proves inadequate, or too diseased, or too crippled for the expression of that purpose, it is – from the point of view of the Hierarchy – no disaster when that form has to go.” pg 112 Education in the New Age by Alice Bailey.
In the event your opinion is that “form” does not mean body I quote the Dali Lama who wrote this in a foreword
“Physical death is only of the body, the form nature, which according to the Ageless Wisdom will be reborn again in another form.”pg 51 Spiritual Politics: Changing the World from the Inside Out by Corrine McLaughlin and Gordon Davidson.
I wonder if there is any cohesion between Bailey’s “Life” and “Purpose” and Rick Warren’s “Purpose Driven Life”? Think long and hard about that.
Thirdly to equate 3 terrible revolutions bathed in blood with Warrens ‘whatever it takes’ speech should be very concerning considering the parallels the USA has currently with Nazi Germany and at the least is in utter bad taste associating a said “move of God” with such evils.
Bloody revolutions Alice Bailey considers with admiration and part of the “Shambala Force” I outline later.
The statement “whatever it takes” is next of kin to “the end justifies the means”, and what might it take to achieve the goals which Warren proposes are “God’s Purpose”?
Could this statement entail out and out lying?
I ask this because in Roman Catholicism there is a Doctrine called “Mental Reservationism” and it’s counterpart in Islam is “Taqqiyah” .
This means that you may deny your faith, whilst espousing faith in something else, or even actively operate against what you believe is true, to gain an advantage over your opponent, whilst maintaining mental assent to what your really believe is true.
Is he proposing a Crusade and blood-letting?
On July 3rd 2006 Rick Warren repeated these same sentiments restating his message about what Hitler, Mao and Lenin achieved at a Hillsong Conference with an interesting twist stating
“Lenin said give me one hundred totally committed people and I’ll change the world, Jesus did it with eleven. It obviously worked, we’re all here. And when they walked into Jerusalem, they said they’ve turned the city and the world upside down, it’s time we turned it right side up, will you be that person, what’s it going to take? Well first we have to accept God’s agenda, and what is God’s agenda? Well it’s not yours. God’s agenda is the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is Jesus’ favourite term for His plan in the world.”
Listening to this message it “sounded” totally right, yet wrong, but these words came towards the end after everyone has been prepared.
It is common phraseology to speak of Jesus’ Disciples as “turning the world upside down” so what is this inverse claim “it’s time we turned it right side up”?
That would then be about undoing the work of the disciples and the church for the last 2000 years. So what is it going to take to undo the work of the gospel?
The same sort of inversion like his positive use of the tower of Babel.
I wonder how many even picked up on this statement or were blinded by the light of the Christian Celebrity shining before their eyes?
I also quoted beyond the portion to see the mention of the concept of the Kingdom of God being His plan. The Plan is a very important phrase. Alice Bailey says the same.
He comes to this point speaking about the speech I previously mentioned at Anaheim Stadium claiming
“We actually printed out these signs it said “whatever it takes” red signs… Then I want you to hold this sign and stand up. And in a stadium of about 45000 people a mass of Red filled the stadium whatever it takes…” July 3rd 2006 Hillsong Conference.
Am I just weird or is there something strange going on here. A mass of Red is symbolic.
Red, as a colour, is an official copyrighted symbol of the Communists. A solid red flag cannot be used unless it is communist. Aka The Flag of the USSR or China for example, and didn’t he just speak semi glowing of 3 regimes with solid red backgrounds? Think on that!
Now consider his sentiments in an article in the Christian Post by Eric Young, Monday, December 15, 2008 titled
Rick Warren raises eyebrows with ‘punish evildoers’
Megachurch pastor Rick Warren has come under fire over comments he made on a recent broadcast of Fox’s Hannity and Colmes show.
On the programme, host Sean Hannity had asked Warren if expressing the need to “take out” Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was “advocating something dark, evil or something righteous”.
“Well, actually, the Bible says that evil cannot be negotiated with. It has to just be stopped,” the Southern California pastor responded before being cut off by another question.
“By force?” Hannity asked.
“Well, if necessary,” Warren replied.
“In fact, that is the legitimate role of government. The Bible says that God puts government on earth to punish evildoers. Not good-doers. Evildoers,” Warren added, referring to Romans 13.
Shortly after, when asked by Hannity if killing an intruder to his house was justified, Warren said he would “absolutely” be justified to protect his family.
“But it’s not murder at that point?” Hannity asked.
“No,” Warren replied. “Murder is not self-defense.”
Following Warren’s appearance, Matthew Dus, a research associate with the Center for American Progress Action Fund, criticised the influential megachurch pastor for his “brief, if regrettable, foray into foreign policy”.
“[I]t’s alarming to hear Warren deploying his spiritual influence in support of the ultranationalist ravings of someone like Sean Hannity,” Dus wrote in a commentary on Friday.
“I suspected that Warren was referring to Romans 13, which his office confirmed. But Romans 13 concerns the power of civil government to punish criminals, and has nothing to do, as far as I know, with invading foreign countries or assassinating foreign leaders,” he argued.
Kevin Eckstrom, editor of Religion News Service, meanwhile, offered a word of caution to the ever popular megachurch pastor.
“Strikes me that Warren (who’s generally an all-around pretty good guy) needs to be careful here that he doesn’t slip into Pat Robertson territory (he knows better), who advocated the assassination of Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez,” Eckstrom commented last week.
Should not this make you deeply concerned with Rick Warren obtaining oaths to fulfil his PEACE Plan, everyone stating “… whatever it takes…”, because simply the question that was not asked was “What will it take?”, what “constitutes evil”?
For a man who is so concerned about running a seeker sensitive church, meeting felt needs and writing books that don’t offend by not using the Bible correctly, he certainly doesn’t mind offending on this occasion.
Remember this because the same people behind these revolutions and blood thirsty leaders are the same teachers that are concealed in the background of all the people Rick Warren is associated with.
Recently I encountered a similar attitude on a forum from a Christian website.
One post was advocating the hope that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would die from sickness that he had at the time.
I was considerably sickened by this comment responding that we should rather than hoping for his death, should be praying he finds eternal life and repentance if it be Gods’ will.
Thus it is even more offensive and sickening to hear a “Pastor” spewing such ungodly bile.
We are all under considerable attack from all sides whether you know it or not but
”…all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”
Notice though when evil men deceive, they also get deceived. A spiralling path of insanity. A Bottomless Pit is not called this for no good reason.
Is Rick Warren deceiving? Has Rick Warren by his own admission thus far proven by his own words he is deceiving?
It is common practise for people to comment “Look how successful they are”, “Look how many people they have”, “Look at how big their ministry is”, as though success gauged by examining physical things, numbers, money, influence, popularity, precludes one to being “of God”.
Numbers like these
“America’s Top 25 Leaders” US News and World Report
“15 World Leaders Who Mattered Most” Time Magazine (NB: Henry Luce founded time)
“100 Most Influential People in the World” Time Magazine (NB: Luce funds Fuller Seminary)
“15 People Who Make America Great” Newsweek
Sold over “20 Million copies of his New York Times Best Seller since 2002.”
Over 700,000 churches world wide join PEACE Plan.
It then gets sickly with Rick Warrens boasting
“A couple weeks ago I did 6 TV interviews including Fox News Live, ABC, NBC, and CBN, so this spiritual awakening is starting to get the attention of the media…the program has been adopted by corporations like Coke and Walmart, sports teams like the Oakland Raiders and Green Bay Packers, NASCAR drivers, and the LPGA schools, civic clubs, and even prisons. Last week, Paul Harvey told everyone to go buy a copy of PDL on his ABC radio broadcast. He said “This is one of the most insightful books I’ve ever read and I will read it again…and again…and again.” In 2004 we expect over 15,000 more churches to participate. The influence of the book keeps amazing me everyday as I get requests for autographed copies. In today’s stack: I signed books for 1) All the Supreme Court Justices 2) One for Fidel Castro (!) 3) One for the President of Peru (these last 2 were spanish editions), and I recently got a note saying that everyone on Air Force One was reading the book recently…” http://www.saddleback.com/home/todaystory.asp?id=6213
Wow it’s a revival, all these people in these organisations repenting (sorry paradigm shifting) and coming to the knowledge of God’s salvation through His Son. Is that what is happening?
We should all take to heart Luke 6:26
“Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.”
This makes me almost cry. How could this even be close to a spiritual revival?
Wales had a spiritual revival in 1904 and crime became virtually non existent. Pubs were emptied, court rooms silent, alcoholics reformed, family hatreds running decades forgiven, doctrine strengthened!
This is unusual for me to speak out, but God has placed a strong desire upon me to sound a trumpet in this instance for your sakes even if it costs me.
For a very long time I have been desiring fellowship with other godly men.
So much so that God has made it clear, to try and find a place, like it was some difficult task.
So I have dedicated the next 12 months to finding a place that my family and I can call “home”, so to speak.
I have been outside of the “church” in the wilderness for 17 years.
The Lord has provided manna and water and I am not willing to trade my birthright for a mess of pottage.
The last 23 years of my Christian life I can testify that the Lord has been true to His Word in every respect and He will continue to be. Even when I am not. He has proved that time and time again.
I endeavour to deal in greater detail with Rick Warren but I also know that it is more beneficial if you yourselves also investigate this matter exhaustively, because this is not just about Rick Warren, it is far greater an issue than that.
I mean what happens when Rick Warren is not “flavour of the month” and it’s someone else we know little about? Don’t think there won’t be!
It is by no insignificant chance that there is a spirit behind this “drive” for “purpose” and can be seen before even cracking open the book cover.
The cover of both books by Rick Warren read “The Purpose Driven Church”, and “The Purpose Driven Life”.
”It is critically important to note that “goats are driven, whilst sheep are led”.
(Warrenism – Heresy on Purpose by Pedro Almeida. www.Sermonaudio.com)
How profound is it then that Rick Warren has used the term “driven”, for as you read you will see the driving spirit behind this movement.
Jeremiah 50:8
“… and be as the he goats before the flocks.”
How wise is our God over and against the wisdom of men!
So I wish to present the wisdom of men that you can understand what Rick Warren is doing.
In the Aquarian Conspiracy Marilyn Ferguson discusses a radical new theory that impacts on everything on every level. I quote at length.
“The theory of dissipative structures won the 1977 Nobel prize in chemistry for a Belgian physical chemist, Ilya Prigogine…. “It bridges the critical gap between biology [ie: living systems] and physics ie:[the apparantly lifeless universe] … explain[ing] “irreversible processes” … toward higher and higher orders of life.[aka evolution ie: rapid evolution, not gradual evolution]…
It explains the critical role of stress in transformation… Some forms in nature are open system… There are also human-made open systems…. Prigogine’s term for open systems is dissipative structures…. their form or structure is maintained by a continuous dissipation (consumption) of energy… The more complex a dissipative structure, the more energy is needed to maintain all those connections… the more coherent or intricately connected the structure, the more unstable it is…. This very instability is the key to transformation…. if the fluctuations reach a critical size, they “perturb” the system…. The parts reorganize into a new whole. The system escapes into a higher order… Each transformation makes the next one likelier…. flexibility begets flexibility. As Prigogine said, at higher levels of complexity, “the nature of the laws of nature changes… the perturbation that provokes the new order in a dissipative structure is analogous to the crisis that helps force the shift to a new paradigm.” Pg 169
The transformation that man is looking towards seemingly according to their imaginations has basis in science. The need for stress is the same as Hegel who says you need two opposing ideas to generate conflict and produce an “outcome”. To complicate things is to elevate the ease of generating change.
Thus they have found their “justification” for their belief system.
But be this the case do not be “perturbed by the system” since the Lord said
“… Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.” Genesis 11:6
It was the grace of God that back in the Garden He withheld us and removed us from taking of the tree of life
“And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:” Genesis 3:22
All that man is discovering is not spirituality but just deeper knowledge of good and evil.
Order and Chaos, but in their foolishness they “think that in them they have eternal life”.
As Above So Below is not a spiritual reality, Jesus said in Matthew 6:10
“Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”
not as the Message translation says
“As Above so Below”
That message is witchcraft.
These concepts are plastered throughout the Message translation, the one Rick Warren references at least 100 times. I have not the time nor space to go through the horrors that at within the pages of this translation.
Continuing with my reduction of several pages of thought
“The theory of dissipative structures offers a scientific model for the transformation of society by a dissident minority like the Aquarian Conspiracy…. the theory “violates the ‘law of large numbers.'” And yet, historians have long noted that a creative minority can reorder a society.
The elements of a dissipative structure cooperate to bring about this transformation of the whole….In such a shift,… Prigogine noted, [molecules]”… also exhibit coherent behavior suited to the [needs of] the parent organism.”… At other levels,… human beings within social forms…. [via] the creative process requires chaos before form emerges;… perturbations—”a dialectic between mass and minority”—can drive the society to “a new average… Any time a perturbation is greater than the society’s ability to “damp” or repress it, the social organization will (a) be destroyed, or (b) give way to a new order…. Prigogine remarked. A critical number of advocates of change can create “a preferential direction”… Science can now express as beautifully as the humanities the great and final paradox; our need to connect with the world (relationship) and to define our unique position in it (autonomy)….Prigogine acknowledged a strong resemblance between this “science of becoming” and the vision of Eastern philosophies, poets, mystics, and scientist-philosophers like Henri Bergson and Alfred North Whitehead. ” A deep collective vision,”… This worldview goes beyond duality and traditional options into a rich, pluralistic cultural outlook, a recognition that higher-order life is not bound by “laws” but is capable of boundless innovation and alternate realities…. pg 162 – 167.
Notice it’s language.
Notice “Chaos before form”. This is Masonic phraseology ie: Ordo Ab Chao – Order Out of Chaos.
Notice “Dialectic” – Hegelian Dialectic.
Notice “Advocates of Change” – or Change Agents
Notice “becoming” and the drive to be “Christs”.
Notice “Shift” as in Paradigm Shift. (Also “relationship”)
How does this have anything to do with Rick Warren?
Let me clarify this idea of Rick Warren’s of being “Purpose Driven” further citing once again The Aquarian Conspiracy which speaks of
“The Zhabotinskii reaction, a dissipative structure in chemistry” which in the reaction of oils finds “The higher the heat, the more complex the pattern. These shifts are sudden and nonlinear. Multiple factors act on each other at once.” pg 165 The Aquarian Conspiracy.
The footnote to this though is most interesting and hit me like a brick. It was devastating to my attempt to give Rick Warren benefit of the doubt and it is devastating to him too.
“Non-linearity is not mysterious. As an example in everyday life, Prigogine cites heavy freeway traffic. In light traffic you can drive in a linear way, moving more or less as you choose with minimum slowing or lane changing. But if traffic thickens, “there is a new regime—competition between events.” You are not only driving but being driven by the system…” pg 165 The Aquarian Conspiracy
For what Purpose did Rick Warren call his books Driven?
Rick Warren is creating complexity and increased connections through networking pastors and his PEACE plan because of a coming (or stage managed) paradigm shift that is being driven by a growing minority of change agents becoming a critical mass through it’s Pluralistic Eastern Philosophy.
Let’s analyse one of the statements from this long quote:
“The more complex a society, the more energy is needed to maintain all those connections. Therefore it is more vulnerable to internal fluctuations.”
Let’s make it relate to church:
The more complex the church the more vulnerable it is to internal fluctuations.
The greater number of false teachers, and false teachings the more difficult it becomes for Christians to refute them all and have time to focus on the truth.
That’s the rub. We cannot continue correcting every one and everything. Instead we need to preach the truth, and it will sort out the errors itself.
We are warned in scripture about complexity?
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” 2 Corinthians 11:3-4
He is working against the simplicity in Christ.
This is a prime marker where The Aquarian Conspiracy defines complexity as “braided together”. Pg 303
The etymology of “braid” means to twist.
We are not told to twist but to keep it straight.
Wicca means crooked, bent, twisted. This is witchcraft.
We need to take heed for the serpent was the most subtle beast of the field.
Considering these facts that virtually everything he teaches via what he says and writes reiterates what The Aquarian Conspiracy says. I find it implausible and virtually impossible that he is without “knowledge” as to what he is teaching and doing.
So with this understanding in the background what sort of man says
“The “unchurched” culture determines our style.”? (Purpose Driven Church Growth Strategy” Seminar in January 1998.).
Would this be a man after the heart of God or a Balaam, after the use of God for gain?
Yet Rick Warren says just that, and since “unchurched” culture is enmity with God. How do we style ourselves on enmity with God?
When scripture says “to be all things to all men,”, does that mean to be an homosexual to the homosexuals, a witch to the witches, a necromancer to the necromancers, a cannibal to the cannibals, a God hater to the God haters?
Examining 1 Peter 1:14-16 we see clearly Mr Warren speaks against scripture which says
“As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.”
The Greek word for fashion is suschmati,zomai suschematizomai and means to conform or in Lightfoot’s commentary to fashion oneself. This is important because fashion is style.
It also intimates a design, or where our word scheme derives from a root σχῆμα schema and there is a scheme afoot, a “shift” as per the Websters Dictionary.
It is equally interesting that this word also can mean a plan, form or shape. (Interestingly Rick Warrens compulsory psychological profiling is called SHAPE, and he has a PEACE PLAN.)
We could translate 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not styling yourselves according to your former unchurched culture …”
Lets consider what a United Religions Initiative supporter states that is merely different words but the same meaning.
“Anglican Bishop James Ottley, a URI Supporter, said in 1997, ‘Increasingly, the agenda of the world is shaped by global political, economic, environmental, and social forces. Because the world’s agenda is the agenda of the church, we can no longer consider ourselves to be living in isolation from one another.’ False Dawn pg 224 from Anglican Communion Office at the United Nations ‘The Ministry of the Anglican Communion Office at the United Nations – Annual Report 1997.
Is your agenda the worlds agenda? This is exactly the same as what Rick Warren is saying. He just says it a different way.
Isolation from one another is precisely what God demands. To be “Holy”, “Sanctified”, “set apart”, “separate”, “peculiar”, all biblical expectations of a believer.
Rick Warren is encouraging Holy men and women and children of God to submit themselves again to that which they have been sanctified, separated from, made holy by the Holy Spirit. Another words going back to the world and your old life which is the call of “another spirit”.
He is preaching a doctrine of Baalam who taught Balack to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel. Again Jeremiah 50:6-8 applies.
Rick Warren also says
“… we are not talking about doctrine”.
If you read pages 34,124,183,186 of Purpose Drive Life, it is clear that he does not value doctrine highly at all, and yet on page 101 he gives it a positive wrap.
Without doctrine everything is “without form and void” “chaos” which is another form of the name Cush.
This is what the Charismatic Churches have been saying for the last 25 years “We have no need of doctrine, we have the experience of the Holy Spirit”.
Or the ecumenical movement since it’s outset. “Doctrine divides.”
Is this not foolish considering Doctrine merely means teaching. It is the Greek word didach, didache.
Please reinterpret those statements removing the word Doctrine and adding teaching.
Warren then is saying “we are not talking about teaching?”
Well actually, yes he is. That is the last letter in His acronym for his PEACE Plan, E – Education.
What he is subtly saying is I will give you a different teaching.
Charismatics can say “We have no need of teaching, we have the experience …”
Ecumenists can say “Teaching divides.”
Alright now taking that as a truth it shouldn’t matter then that you believe that Jesus is the Lamb of God whilst:
19th Degree of Freemasonry Scottish Rite, Jesus is symbolised by a Pelican (an unclean bird.)
Jesus and Satan are brothers, according to Mormonism.
Jesus is “a god” to Jehovah Witnesses.
A piece of bread is Jesus’ flesh and a drink of wine is his blood in the Roman Catholic Church.
Jesus is … (what the Talmud states is too disgusting for those of weaker constitutions so I will not push you into offence).
Those are teachings but they only divide, it doesn’t matter. So in the words of the all wise counsellor John Lennon “Love is All We Need?”
“God is love” isn’t He. Let’s not be disagreeable and define the original languages so that we can all be corrupted by a mixed religion.
At the 2009 ISNA Islamic Convention Rick Warren stated
“I’m not interested in Interfaith dialogue. I am interested in Interfaith Projects. There’s a big difference. Talk is very cheap… Love is something you do. It’s something that we do together. Love is a verb.”
As Teilhard De Chardin said
“Love, in fact, is the agent of universal synthesis.”
This is not agape love for the love of God is regarding truth.
This is truly amping up the “process”. Dialogue is about a dialectical process effecting change. This is even more diabolical. Unity through pragmatic philanthropic good works.
This is how so many Christians are duped, through the lame idea of modern Christian love which is no love at all. The hippie Jesus, and his Peace, Love and all that good disobedient stuff.
Rick Warren’s tendency to gravitate to the powerful elements of society and the world plays a very interesting part in understanding his direction and influences even more.
Quoting again from Mac Dominick’s “Rebuilding the Tower of Babel”
Richard Gardner in the April 1973 issue of Foreign Affairs Magazine, the magazine of the Council for Foreign Relations:
“In short, the ‘house of world order’ will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down…an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault…”
Article: The Hard Road to World Order
Why do I mention this? How does this relate to Rick Warren?
It does so because Rick Warren is a member of the CFR (Council of ForeignRelations).
This is an Illuminati think tank and every member of the CFR is an occultist and are members of secret societies working to a final Plan of the Ages.
(I warned you that you would think the things I said were incredulous)
Rick Warren has also spoken at both the UN Prayer Breakfast and the CFR on “purpose”.
So what is the purpose of the CFR?
Quoting from the CFR themselves in “CFR Continuing The Inquiry: The Council of Foreign Relations From 1921 to 1996” by Peter Grose
“To this end, then Council President Leslie H. Gelb articulated a threefold vision for the Council: to add value by improving understanding of world affairs and by providing new ideas for U.S. foreign policy; to transform the Council into a national organization to benefit from the expertise and experience of leaders nationwide; and to find and nurture the next generation of foreign policy leaders.” pg ix
If you go to the Council of Foreign Relations website you will find Rick Warrens name listed as as member. (I have saved this in the event they restrict access or pull the list of names.)
It is also interesting to note again from “CFR Continuing The Inquiry: The Council of Foreign Relations From 1921 to 1996 by Peter Grose,
“Mikhail Gorbachev, the last head of the Soviet Union, visited the Harold Pratt House in 1992. The heir to the twentieth century’s Bolshevism paused over a display of the opened copy of Foreign Affairs’ first 1922 issue with Lenin’s and Radek’s penciled annotations.” Pg 81
(Mikhail Gorbachev founded the environmental movement Green Cross and is a worshipper of goddess Gaia. Also notice Vladimir Lenin made annotations to the first edition of CFR publication Foreign Affairs.)
To show the power and influence of the CFR which is another rabbit trail I will not digress into I refer you to “FDR My exploited Father-In-Law” by Curtis B Dall (Son in Law of ex President Franklin D Roosevelt) who says about him
“Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition… was manufactured for him in advance by the CFR – One World Money group.”
FDR was a 33 degree mason and was the one who had the “Great Seal” placed on the
US One Dollar Note. (The symbol that one church in the REMOVED says is the eye of God and God’s Kingdom coming on the earth.)
So with Rick Warren being CFR who is driving who?
Is it akin to The Aquarian Conspiracy which tells us “you are not only driving but being driven by the system.”.
Is he being driven by those higher on the food chain whilst he drives those lower on this chain?
Rick Warren is also a member of Oxford Analytica whose website states:
“Oxford Analytica is a global analysis and advisory firm which draws on a macro expert network to advise its clients on strategy and performance in complex markets… We deliver actionable intelligence and global analysis to give corporate and government executives a proven edge in predicting key trends – and preparing for contingencies… We engage clients directly at senior strategic levels, providing customised services and solutions that enable them to operate successfully in complex markets where politics, economics and business meet.”
What is a Pastor of a church doing, embroiling himself where “politics, economics and business meet”? Is he not aware of Revelation 17’s “whore who rides the beast.”?
You will find Rick Warren has taken 20 years of instruction from a Peter Drucker who proposes a 3 legged stool model (corporate, state, private / non profit) of global governance.
The CFR propose a 4 corner model (political, economic, theological, intellectual) but Drucker combines theological and intellectual into the private / non profit sector.
Drucker’s consensus between the three legs form the seat which he terms “Community”.
Are our eyes opening yet … 40 Days of Community.)
Warren also says
“Tom [Paterson] was one of the three strongest supports, along with Peter Drucker and Bob Buford, of our purpose driven church strategy in the formative years of Saddleback Church.” Video: The Purpose Driven Church Heresy
UN’s 1980 Commission on International Development headed by German Chancellor Willy Brandt created a report called “North South – A Program for Survival” which states
“World Development is not merely an economic process, it involves a profound transformation of the entire economic and social structure. Not only the idea of economic betterment but also of greater human dignity, security, justice and equity. The commission realises that mankind has to develop a concept of a ‘single community’ to develop global order.”
Notice how the language and the goals are all the same.
“Sam Brown, organizer of the War Moratorium protest against the Vietnam conflict, successfully reformed banking practices as the state treasurer of Colorado and was later appointed by Carter to head the agency that administers VISTA and the Peace Corps. Brown said, “Social change isn’t going to come as quickly as any of us would like it to come. Building a community is a more subtle, delicate, long-term process….” pg 207 The Aquarian Conspiracy
Rick Warren’s involvement with politics runs contrary to his claims that
“If I thought politicians could change people’s hearts, I would go into government. If I thought laws could change people’s hearts, I would go into government. But I don’t, so I’m not.” USA Today November 17th 2009.
Yet he contradicts this claim repeatedly by his words, plans, and actions.
Just take for example Barrack Hussain Obama promoting himself from Warrens platform during his AIDS conference, having a Presidential debate between Obama and McCain, promoting Paul Kagame who became President of Rwanda, his signing the Evangelical Climate Initiative, Tony Blair’s Interfaith Based Initiative and other instances.
It is worth noting that there is more to the book The Aquarian Conspiracy which discusses on pg 342 a document “Changing image of man” produced by Sanford Research Institute to which it has also be noted by another author that
“Ferguson used a half-truth to tell a lie. The counterculture is a conspiracy —
but not in the half-conscious way Ferguson claims — as she well knows. Ferguson wrote her manifesto under the direction of Willis Harman, social policy director of the Stanford Research Institute, as a popular version of a May 1974 policy study on how to transform the United States into Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World. The counterculture is a conspiracy at the top, created as a method of social control.” pg 1 THE AQUARIAN CONSPIRACY: FACT OR FICTION?
With this insight it becomes virtually impossible to ignore all the connections, directions and personalities.
Take for example a ten-day London “human-potential workshop” in May 1975 where
“… speakers—Moshe Feldenkrais, Rick Carlson, Fritjof Capra, Werner Erhard, and others had brainstormed potential social change under the theme, ‘Frontiers of Medicine and Science.’” pg 261 The Aquarian Conspiracy by Marilyn Ferguson.
So with Rick Warrens adoption of his Daniel Health Plan we must seriously question a great many things he is doing. Social Change through Medicine and Science.
Rick Warren, having spoken at the United Nations, it becomes concerning since they themselves are an organisation deeply in bed with occultists, New Agers, and Luciferian Doctrine.
This is why Alice Baileys “Lucis Trust” (Formerly Lucifer Trust) has a seat on the UN’s weekly sessions and has “Consultative Status” with the UN. It operates the UN meditation room which is a Trapezoid (see the teachings of Alister Crowley and Anton Lavey to get a good handle on this shape. NB: Pope John Paul II was buried in a Trapazoid in accordance to the resurrection dark energy principles of Anton LaVey.)
Lucis Trust also receives representation from powerful leaders like John D Rockerfeller, Thomas Watson Jr, Henry Kissinger and of course others.
Other associative offshoots of Lucis Trust that receive financial support from it are: The Arcane School, Triangles (who educate our children), Ten Seed Groups (The sixth seed involves Workers in the Field of Religion and introducing transcendental mysticism through occultism), World Goodwill of which signatories and supporters are Hulmut Schmidt former chancellor of West Germany, Malcom Fraser ex PM of Australia, Oscar Arias Sanchez former Prime Minister of Costa Rica, Shimon Peres, Robert McNamara, Paul Volcker and Jimmy Carter. Obviously there are more involved.
This “Plan of the Ages” I spoke about is outlined by many different groups better referred to as “a thousand points of light” a reference both Alice Bailey and George Bush Snr use, but I wish to consider what Theosophist Alice Bailey made clear in her “Externalisation of the Heirarchy”,
“The Christian Church in its many branches can serve as a John the Baptist, as a voice crying in the wilderness,’ as a nucleus through which world illumination may be accomplished.” pg 510.
She also claims that the diverse and numerous occult societies were in most of the key positions in the church at the time of her writing, saying that in time they would hold all the key positions and would help lead the world into a New World Order.
For example take Billy Graham who announced in 1992 over his radio show Embrace America 2000 that
“…we need to embrace the New World Order.”
Though these things are all around us we are astoundingly blind to the machinations of these agendas moving around us. I am currently in the middle of writing a book on Television and Cinema and it’s influences on the Physiology, Psychology, Spirituality, Emotions, Culture and History.
Hollywood and Television are a major player in teaching us and readying us (in the words of H P Blavatsky) “immoral classes” for what is coming.
I quote from Alice Bailey again to get this point more clarified.
“There is no question therefore that the work to be done in familiarizing the general public with the nature of the Mysteries is of paramount importance at this time. These mysteries will be restored to outer expression through the medium of the Church and the Masonic Fraternity… When the Great One comes with his disciples and initiates we shall have the restoration of the Mysteries and their exoteric presentation as a consequence of the first initiation.” “President Clinton Will Continue The New World Order”; Dennis L. Cuddy, RESEARCH MANUAL: AMERICA 2000/GOALS 2000, MOVING THE NATION EDUCATIONALLY TO A “NEW WORLD ORDER” Editor: James R. Patrick Citizens for Academic Excellence, 1994, 28-48. from pg 273 of The Externalisation of the Heirachy by Alice Bailey
These mysteries are right before our eyes every day, and yet we are oblivious to their existence. They are more and more exoteric everyday. Hidden in plain sight.
The Theosophical Society believes Jesus is the Evil one and Lucifer is the good one.
Read Madam Helena P Blavatsky’s “The Secret Doctrine” so you can already see what illumination we are talking about. She also teaches that Satan and Jesus Christ are one.
Thus we encounter a difficulty in that just because the name of Jesus is used, it does not mean the one using it is not meaning Satan.
Even though I believe I am speaking to mature Christians I advise caution examining books such as Blavatsky’s and others listed here and that it be done prayerfully.
Now if you knew a “Man of God” was lying and doing it publicly, embarrassing the name of Jesus Christ would you associate with him? Would you recommend him to others? Would you be able to believe him? Would you feed on his words and feed his words to the flock?
This is the case for Rick Warren who has been caught out lying a number of times.
One occasion was regarding the state of persecution of Christians in Syria.
After the Syrian press published his comments he was questioned by journalist Joseph Farah to whom he denied the comments saying he was misquoted.
Video footage was then found on You Tube proving what he said to Joseph Farah was false. Farah contacted Rick Warren and asked him to explain why he lied.
Within hours the footage was removed from You Tube.
Some time later Rick Warren played this video to his Saddleback congregation but only some of the “16 hours of footage taken” (Warren’s own words on the video) with sound muted in some segments.
I have copied this video in the event You Tube pull this one.
(The internet is becoming more and more like Orwell’s Ministry of truth.)
Audio then surfaced of him stating exactly what the Syrian press quoted him as saying.
Only to then have New Age Spiritualist Marianne Williamson come to his defence trying to spin the matter. This is quite significant later on.
What is equally interesting is that after his trip to Syria his next stop was Rwanda. Country of President Paul Kagame who visited Warren at his Saddleback Church. One of two Purpose Driven Countries. The other Uganda.
Terrible genocide has taken place in Rwanda. Especially between 1991 -2001 where hundreds of thousands have died on both sides.
The UN was told to keep out by Madeleine Albright, and surrounding African nations were also prevented from intervening.
So after 10 years of slaughter and a decimated church, with many old and importantly knowledgeable Christians slaughtered Rick Warren rides into this country establishing a new spiritual edifice.
Paul Kagame has never faced trial for numerous war crimes (and the accusations are terrible and numerous).
Huffington Post November 2006
… renowned French anti-terrorism judge Jean-Louis Bruguière, internationally famous for having located and brought to justice one of the most notorious terrorists of the 20th Century, ‘Carlos the Jackal’, called for the prosecution of Rwandan President Paul Kagame, for triggering the 1994 Rwandan genocide.
Bruguière, who was unable to indict Paul Kagame because under French law heads of state are under diplomatic immunity, issued warrants for nine of Kagame’s top aides, including the head of the Rwandan military, Charles Kayonga.
On November 9, 2008 the Rwandan Director General of State Protocol, Rose Kabuye was arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, for extradition to France to be tried on judge Bruguière’s charges.
In early 2008, as the LA Times also reported in 2008 that Judge Fernando Andreu of Spain’s National Court called for the prosecution of Kagame, for a series of reprisal massacres that followed the Rwandan genocide.
Spanish law also grants diplomatic immunity to heads of state but Andreu indicted 40 members of Kagame’s government.
Why did Rick Warren have such a man promoted from his platform at Saddleback?
I also find it relevant on this issue that having said there was no persecution in Syria and Christians had religious freedom and always have, also smacked of Billy Graham doing likewise when he went to the USSR in 1982 and met up with the “Siberian Seven” and said
“I saw no evidence of religious persecution in Russia.”
Another instance of lying was during the vote for Proposition 8 (the definition of marriage bill) telling his 30,000 subscribers one thing and the media viewing public another.
(I also have video to demonstrate this.)
There are other instances of slanderous emails sent to Saddleback Members about ministries that criticise the “Purpose Driven” franchise. When these emails came to light Saddleback then claimed they were “hacked” by the very ministries that were “slandered” in the emails and Saddleback audaciously claimed that those ministries critical of them sent the emails to Saddleback Members. They claimed the FBI was investigating “the matter”, but will not refer to the FBI department conducting the investigation.
This is the sort of behaviour many of the Cults participate in.
There’s a word for this type of lying, but not being of the world, I should refrain from using it.
He also has a double tongue and is exposed in the Christian Post 21st December 2009 which reads
”A group of 20 denominational heads recently formed the Ugandan National Pastors Task Force Against Homosexuality and demanded that Warren “biblically issue an apology for having wronged us.”
“Your letter has caused great distress and the pastors are demanding that
you issue a formal apology for insulting the people of Africa by your very inapropriate (sic) bully use of your church and purpose driven pulpits to coerce us into the ‘evil’ of Sodomy and Gaymorrah (sic),” the pastors, which include Martin Ssempa, state in a letter emailed to Warren.
They also note, “As you yourself have said, ‘..the Bible says evil has to be opposed. Evil has to be stopped. The Bible does not say negotiate with evil. It says stop it. Stop evil’. (12/2007).”
This was in response to a video Rick Warren sent opposing a law that was to be passed to make homosexuality illegal in Uganda.
Such loose beliefs you will find are consistent. Such duplicity you will see perpetually.
In September 2005 Rick Warren spoke to 100 delegates at the United Nations Interfaith Prayer Breakfast, as previously mentioned. He told them what they wanted to hear not what they needed to hear saying
“I’m not talking this morning about a religion this morning. You may be a Catholic or Protestant or Buddhist or Baptist or Muslim or Mormon or Jewish… or you may have no religion at all. I’m not interested in your religious background, because God did not create the universe for us to have religion”.
Contrary to Rick Warren’s inclusive sentiments, James 1:27 is at total odds with Rick Warren stating
“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.”
But then who knows what he believes when he also says
“The culture is asking how do I fill this hole in my heart. I think religion has the answer.” Time Magazine March 29th 2004, Article: Religion – The man with a Purpose.
So what does Mr Warren believe? He tells Time magazine one thing and numerous people of other faiths another.
Similar sentiments are found by a comment by Mark Victor Hansen co-creator of “Chicken Soup for the Soul” regarding the state of our lack of spirituality stating
“We’ve got the most prosperous culture in human history and we’ve also got the biggest spiritual hole in human history…. To fill that hole you need something like the Hoffman Process “
It is quite ironic that this discussion about a spiritual hole in culture and our hearts ( do Christians have one?) comes from two very different sources and whilst Warren says “he thinks” “religion” has an answer we will find the Hoffman process connects back to Warren.
What is the Hoffman Process?
The Hoffman Institute was named after the psychic Bob Hoffman who invented a process called the Quadrinity Process.
The Hoffman process is even recommended in the Aquarian Conspiracy pg 87 as a means for “changing.” Look at the list to see what it recommends.
Rick Warren looking to have top leaders for his PEACE plan in Rwanda, Africa and Globally, settled on choosing Ken Blanchard.
Mr Blanchard is on the advisory Board for the Hoffman Institute along with the good company of:
Joan Borysenko – Former Director of the Mind/Body Medical Institute and author of “Fire in the Soul: A new Psychology of Spiritual Optimism.”.
Margot Anand Larkspur -Founder of Sky Dancing Tantra International and author of “The Art of Sexual Ecstasy”, “The Art of Sexual Magic”, and Gestalt therapist.
Claudio Naranjo, former staff member Esalen Institute, International authority on enneagram, and author of books about consciousness.
So when Mr Warren says religion can fill the hole in our hearts, is he meaning the Hoffman process? Probably not. Never the less the ongoing connections are surreal. You might say I’m not being fair. But look further into these connections.
Mr Blanchard endorses Dr Deepak Chopra and wrote the foreword for one of his books “What Would Buddah Do At Work”. Dr Chopra, New Ager who worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and was called “Dhanvantari ie: Lord of Immortality in 1989, links Hinduism and Eastern Philosophical Concepts with Medical Terminology. I researched Dr Chopra’s stuff back in the early 1990’s and it appears not for no good reason either.
Blanchard says about Chopra
“The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success make wonderful guiding principles for anyone attempting to create a productive and satisfying life or human organisation”
Is this a leader who you would want to teach about scripture and Jesus to up and coming Pastors or Churches?
Rick Warren obviously does but why? Is there more than coincidence that Rick Warren shared a platform with Dr Depack Chopra at California Governor and First Lady’s Conference on Women and Families in 2005?
This Conference was “created by California’s First Lady Maria Shriver in 2004. The Minerva Awards are named after the Roman Goddess of Wisdom and Justice portrayed on the California State Seal who symbolises the dual nature of women as warrior and peacemaker.“
An appropriate place for a Christian to make a great proclamation of the gospel. But not for Rick Warren.
Maybe there is something in the fact that Dr Depack Chopra and Warren spoke together at the 2009 ISNA Islamic Convention? Given benefit of the doubt at the very best Rick Warren proves himself incapable of Spiritual Discernment and clearly should be sitting under a Man of God learning the gospel and learning to divide the word of truth properly.
See their words tell us one thing and their actions another. Their “networking” connections certainly communicate the things unseen.
But let’s stick with what is seen. Blanchard’s very words expose him for what he is after stating
“People ask me if I’m interested in evangelism. I’m not. I think the next big evangelism movement will be driven by behaving differently.” Article Ken Blanchard: Serving to lead like Jesus,” 20th May 2004 Rebecca Barnes ChurchCentral.com
Behaving differently is the catch cry of the New Age movement and couched in the right terminology sounds just like “being transformed by the renewal of our minds.”
The Aquarian Conspiracy states
“‘We cannot wait for the world to turn,’ said philosopher Beatrice Bruteau, ‘for times to change that we might change with them, for the revolution to come and carry us around in its new course. We ourselves are the future. We are the revolution.’” pg 26
Of this self-same book we read
“One EST graduate… says not only that I can make a difference, but I am the difference in the world.” pg 111
Then from out of left field it says exactly as the Purpose Driven Life
“More than a decade ago Erich Fromm was warning that no great radical idea can survive unless it is embodied in individuals whose lives are the message. The transformed self is the medium. The transformed life is the message.” Pg 118
How is this different from Purpose Driven Life quoting The Message,
“… you are the message.” pg 289
This is a redefinition of terms.
I’ve heard this before. It was called lifestyle evangelism in the Pentecostal Charismatic Churches and it allows “cowardice” to become commendable. Don’t say anything about your faith (which works well with political correctness, so this is state sanctioned, church endorsed self-censorship).
Just live your faith and do nice faith driven things. It smacks of Luke 9:25
“For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.”
Evangelism is the proclamation of the Gospel, preaching the gospel. Living what you preach is fruit of the gospel alive in you. Though I can see that it goes beyond even this and into the realm Alice Bailey speaks of regarding action and behaviour.
Now Warren contradicts Blanchard regarding evangelism in The Purpose Driven Church
“Every church needs to grow warmer through fellowship, deeper through discipleship, stronger through worship, broader through ministry, and larger through evangelism.” pg 48
So then what’s the deal here?
What does Rick Warren mean? Does he mean “behaviour” when he says “evangelism” like he says “paradigm shift” instead of “repentance”?
Why has Rick Warren got himself a leader who is not interested in evangelism?
What is all the double talk, double mindedness and double heartedness. If you examine any of the false Word – Faith proponents you will find that they also play a double game of teaching and denial, then being corrected, bold faced lying, then teaching the same lies.
Benny Hinn did this with the Holy Spirit being 9 persons. He taught it, denied he taught it, taught it again, said he repented of teaching it, and continued to teach it. It is about subterfuge and confusion.
That is no different from Jehovah Witnesses who in their Watchtower Magazine over the last century predicted Jesus’ return on a given date, retracted the claim, reclaimed it again, and again denied it, then changed the date. Now taking the official position that it is a not a good idea to predict Jesus’ return.
Like so many things you will find with Rick Warren, you learn to ask the question “Where did Rick Warren get that idea.” This applies for his 5 Step PEACE plan? Or maybe not his?
It appears there is more plagiarism going on from another New Ager, Neale Donald Walsch who also presented a 5 step PEACE plan before Rick Warren did in his book “The New Revelation: A Conversation with God” published in 2002 calling it “The Five Steps to Peace”, in another book he also wrote:
“The universe does nothing by accident… You can change the course of human history. This is not an exaggeration.” Tomorrows God: Our Greatest Spiritual challenge pg ix. 2002
Not too dissimilar to a letter written by Rick Warren to his Saddleback Church by email
“You are not a part of Saddleback Church by accident… I say this without fear of exaggeration – God is going to use you, and all of us together at Saddleback, to change history.” Warren writing in a Saddleback Church email October 27, 2003
Rick Warren also uses this at the 2006 Hillsong Conference telling people they were not attending this conference by accident and also is at the beginning of his PDL book.
Yet Rick Warren NEVER references ANY of these critical new age authors nor refers to gleaning their ideas and placing them in his book.
It is also interesting after remembering Rick Warrens speech regarding Hitler is echoed by Neale Donald Walsch who states
“Hitler went to heaven.” Neale Donald Walsch, Conversations with God: An Uncommon Dialogue, Book 2, pg 35 from False Dawn by Lee Penn pg 23
May I also advise you to examine some of the papers I can provide which equate Rick Warrens PEACE plan with the United Nations Objectives for Peace.
Equally Neale Donald Walsch is working with Marianne Williamson for the “Ministry of Peace” to be legislated by the US Government.
Marianne Williamson also works with Barbara Marx Hubbard to which I advise you investigate her beliefs as they merely reinforce Alice Baileys teachings but are more explicit.
Marianne Williamson was the New Ager who came to Rick Warrens defence over the Syrian issue.
It is also interesting that Rick Warren having the patent on “Purpose Driven Life” allowed Anthony Robbins to use his term Purpose Driven Life in an advertisement.
(Video: The Purpose Driven Heresy of Rick Warren.)
These quotes about “no accident” are on par with one another.
It is by no accident that Rick Warren talking about “repentance”, “changing the mind”, and mobilisation to meet the outcomes of “his” PEACE plan that we find such relationships between such ideas in The Aquarian Conspiracy
“A new world—a new perspective on reality— is indispensable to a new politics. “A turning of the mind,” Huxley called it. … Eventually, anyone concerned with the transformation of the individual must engage in social action.” pg 190 – 191 The Aquarian Conspiracy by Marilyn Ferguson.
Something big is going on here and this has nothing to do with evangelism or the gospel.
This is putting the cart before the horse.
Good works to produce “transformation” whilst scripture teaches “transformation” leading to good works.
Rick Warren then uses scripture and Evangelism as a weapon forged in the fires of Khazadum (see Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings an apt description I must say) stating in his Purpose Driven Life
“When the disciples wanted to talk about prophecy, Jesus quickly switched the conversation to evangelism” pg 285
Actually the disciples wanted to talk about Israel being restored because this was a common misconception about why Jesus came. They were thinking along the same lines as dominion theology and Church growth thinking, ie:“Conquering and to Conquer”. Quite ironic actually.
What is really sad is this very verse, Acts 1:7-8, gives us the facts to the contrary
“… It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But you shall receive power…”.
Jesus said in John 16:13
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
Jesus’ comments about times and seasons also echoes back to an extremely long discourse concerning prophecy in Matthew 24. Here Jesus spent an incredibly long time discussing prophecy, yet all these facts can’t get in the way of using Lifton’s Point 6 on Loading Language, Rick Warren states
“If you want Jesus to come back sooner, focus on fulfilling your mission, not figuring out prophecy.” pg 285 – 286
Let’s compare that with Alice Bailey
“It is not for us to set the date for the appearing of the Christ or to expect any spectacular aid or curious phenomena. If our work is rightly done, He will come at the set and appointed time. How, where or when He will come is none of our concern. Our work is to do our utmost and on as large a scale as possible to bring about right human relations, for His coming depends upon our work.” pg 82 The Re-Appearance of the Christ by Alice Bailey
What is also sickening is the abuse of scripture, picking the Living Bibles rendering of Luke 9:62 to manipulate dissenters to his negative statements about understanding prophecy.
“Anyone who let’s himself get distracted from the work I plan for him is not fit for the kingdom of God.” Living Bible
“And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.” KJV
What is the ploughing of the wicked? Proverbs 21:6.
And how do we please God? Hebrews 11:6.
Sin. And By Faith, respectively.
And looking back? This is in reference to Lot’s wife looking back at Sodom and Gomorrah, desiring the pleasures of her past and looking favourably on them.
As Christian’s, this is a deadly trait which requires Mortification of the flesh. I do not see Mortification of Prophecy as anything sensible.
Prophecy is 1/3rd of scripture and is part of that “work”. Something else is at “work” here.
Proof of the gospel comes through Jesus fulfilling prophecy. In Matthew 24 regarding prophecy Jesus’ first words are “Let no man deceive you…”. About what? About His 2nd coming, about prophecy.
This is clever psychology that a true cultist would use to avoid the need of proclaiming a direct “anathema” against the malcontent elements to his comments by belittling.
Rick Warren at this point is dangerously close to the Jewish Talmud which says concerning Prophecy
“May the bones of the hands and the bones of the fingers decay and decompose, of him who turns the pages of the book of Daniel, to find out the time of Daniel 9:24-27, and may his memory rot from off the face of the earth forever” Talmudic Law pg 978 Section 2 Line 28
This curse is also close to the Roman Catholic Churches Lateran Council
SESSION 11, 19 December 1516, On how to preach:
“We command all who undertake this task of preaching, or will later undertake it, to… in no way to presume to preach or declare a fixed time for future evils, the coming of antichrist or the precise day of judgment; for Truth says, it is not for us to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority. Let it be known that those who have hitherto dared to declare such things are liars, and that because of them not a little authority has been taken away from those who preach the truth.”
This of course was due to Protestants saying the Pope was antichrist. Jesus said only His exact time of return could not be known.
How can we deny this when scripture shows us
“The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.” Deuteronomy 29:29 – 30:1
“I will give you the treasures of darkness, riches stored in secret places, so
that you may know that I am the LORD, the God of Israel, who summons you by name.” Isaiah 45:3
“…your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets..” Daniel 2:47
“Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” Amos 3:7
If Rick Warren has not experienced these truth’s of God, maybe he is not a servant?
Maybe Rick Warren is wanting you to not know about the coming New Age Christ or antichrist?
I mean Rick Warren’s favourite translation even destroys Thessalonian 2:9
“The Anarchist’s coming is all Satan’s work. All his power and signs and miracles are fake, evil sleight of hand that plays to the gallery of those who hate the truth that could save them. And since they’re so obsessed with evil, God rubs their noses in it – gives them what they want. Since they refuse to trust truth, they’re banished to their chosen world of lies and illusions.”
I make this emphatic point this is not a misprint. Go and get The Message and read the whole passage. It is repeated again and again. The significance of this is important because a number of persons spoke about the Nihilists in the 1890’s and their purpose in world affairs.
This is critical because in Theosophy Antichrist is not a bad thing. Rather
“The work of the Antichrist is to destroy forms, and this is essentially the work of the first expression of divinity. But the work of the destroyer is not the work of black magic, and when ignorant humanity regards Antichrist as working on the black side, their error is great. His work is as beneficent as that of the building aspect, and it is but man’s hatred of the death of forms which makes him regard the work of the destroyer as “black,” as being against the divine will, and as subversive of the divine programme.” pg 44
Esoteric Psychology Volume 1 by Alice Bailey
So if you were a church leader who believed this, you too would not find it important
to understand prophecy or would want to steer people away from it’s investigation.
It again raises some serious questions.
As you will keep seeing, Rick Warren has surrounded himself with nothing but New Age, New Think, Occultist practitioners and promoters all working towards the coming of The New Age Christ.
Psalm 12:8 speaks clearly of this type of networking saying
“The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.”
Why do the wicked seem to walk on every side of Rick Warren?
Even now at this point it is becoming clear what Rick Warren is building, and it is not God’s (Yahweh’s) Kingdom, but rather the kingdom of another god. The god of self or the god of this world.
I have been watching this develop for the last 20 years of my life and Rick Warren is doing everything expected of a change agent in bringing the continuing apostasy.
Remembering Warrens comments about religion being a non issue he expresses the same sentiments at the Aspen Ideas Festival at the Aspen Institute July 6, 2005, (you may also wish to find out more about what the purposes of the Aspen Institute are) saying
“I happen to know people who are followers of Christ in other religions.”
This though is understandable because Rick Warren was taught under Robert Schuller (33rd Degree Mason) at the Institute for Church Growth who teaches the exact same belief. These are also the same sentiments of Billy Graham.
(Such sentiments are currently being implemented on many mission fields where it is becoming acceptable to believe in Jesus and remain a Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim. I wonder if they can extend this to believing in Jesus and remaining an atheist? Look up for example “Jesus Mosque’s”. Where Muslims believe in “Jesus” but perform the requirements of Islamic law. This is the coming new Missiology.)
Schuller’s anti Biblical views are well documented and not hard to discover.
Schuller has 4 statues in the gardens of his Crystal Cathedral. One of himself, Billy Graham 33rd Degree Mason, Norman Vincent Peale 33rd degree mason and Bishop Fulton Sheen.
Please investigate each of those and how Rick Warren is influenced by them.
A book written about the life of Rick Warren under a positive light back in 2005 details his influences and background stating for example
“…in the 1990s, following in the footsteps of Peale and Schuller, the leader of the next generation of Church Growth Movement pastors emerged. That man was none other than Rick Warren.” A Life with Purpose: Reverend Rick Warren: The Most Inspiring pastor of Our Time by George Mair.
Warren and his associates went on the warpath over this book, with George Mair taking “friendly fire” for exposing Rick Warrens PEACE Plan Leader, Ken Blanchard. George Mair had not one bad word to say about Rick Warren or anyone, and only spoke the truth out of total adoration for what had been achieved, so it is clear they knew they were hiding things from Warren’s followers and their trickle down adherents.
Mair clearly upset Warren’s apple cart by further exposing Warren’s links to New Age authors claiming almost ironically that Norman Vincent Peale was also accused of Plagiarism.
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. It seems the cliche is right regarding apples spoiling the bunch.
The said authors who were plagiarised by Peale were, Florence Scovel Shinn, Ernest Holmes, Eric Butterworth and Bernie Siegel (also quoted by Warren btw). See Article “Attempt to Discredit Contenders of the Faith” by Lighthouse Trails Research 7th March 2010
At a 1997 conference where speakers at the Robert Schuller Institute for Successful Church Leadership were Bill Hybels, John Maxwell and Rick Warren where
“More that 80 gay and lesbian pastors and lay leaders from the Metropolitan Community Churches participated in this year’s Robert Schuller Institute for Successful Church Leadership at Schuller’s Crystal Cathedral.”
Spring ’97 Evangelicals Concerned [pro homosexual newsletter].
Robert Schuller teaches the validity of all faiths, which makes sense since the writings and teachings of Robert Schuller are directly quoted but never referenced in Rick Warrens books so that the reader remains unaware where his doctrines and teachings are derived.
For further reading on Schullers influence on Warren see “Deceived On Purpose” by Warren Smith.
One example is in February 2003 Rick Warren said
“American Christianity is going through a second reformation … The first Reformation clarified what we believe. This reformation is all about how we act and operate in the world. It involves the key components of purpose, decentralization, lay mobilization, use of technology, and continuous learning. Churches that change are thriving and growing more effective. Churches that refuse to change will miss the reformation, and are dying.” Ministry Toolbox Saddleback Sayings 2/12/2003.
Keep a tally of these terms being used. Second Reformation.
Notice that Rick Warren is having selective memory of the reformation. It was not just about belief but about how to act. See John Owens “Mortification of Sin in the Believer” or the Works of Richard Baxter just for starters (anyone would think he had not read anything by any reformers or their lives, or the history.)
What about operation? How did the gospel spread around the world except for the missionary activity of the protestant church. This is one of many strawmen Warren sets up.
He also calls for lay mobilisation (the call the CFR recommended “the ‘house of world order’ will have to be built from the bottom up”) and also Alice Bailey’s “New Group of World Servers” and also something that Dr Ron Wolfson also calls for in his Rick Warren endorsed book: “Gods to do List : 103 Ways to be an Angel and Do God’s Work on Earth”
“Yet even God realised that the world would need a very special presence, human beings who are literally infused with the breath-the spirit of God to be the frontline caretakers of creation. God can’t do it alone. That’s why God created you”
This is very similar to Rick Warren in his Purpose Driven Church Day 36 Made For A Mission pg 282 when he says
“Your mission is a continuation of Jesus’ mission on earth.”
Though for us to fulfil Jesus’ mission would be to nullify Jesus’ claim “It is Finished” referring to Daniel 9, I can see why Rick Warren endorsed this book closely aligned to his own stating
“This book is built on a great premise: Figure out what God does and then do that with other people! Simple but profound. I loved this book!”
Simple but profound, and unless your a god, impossible. God created the heavens and the Earth in 7 days. Hey let’s do that. God made atonement for sin. Hey let’s do that.
I’m not being obstreperous regarding this.
If you can seriously swallow that we are a continuation of Jesus’ mission then you should be able to swallow this from Word – Faith proponent Kenneth Copeland who declared
“The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, “Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let your tradition trip you up.” He said, “Think this way — a twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And I threw my Bible down… like that. I said, “What?” He said, “A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.” He said, “You are the very image, the very copy of that one.” I said, “Goodness, gracious sakes alive!” And I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said, “Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean, that I could have done the same thing?” He said, “Oh yeah, if you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could have done the same thing,’cause you’re a reborn man too.”Kenneth Copeland (Substitution and Identification, 1989, tape #00-0202, side 2)
Rick Warren’s quote from pg 282 and his endorsement for Wolfson’s book comes dangerously close to Copeland’s “revelation” only from a different angle.
Funnily enough Dr Ron Wolfson also says something much like Kenneth Copeland from the same book Warren endorsed
“What does it mean to be made in the image of God? It means that the spark of divinity is within you.”
Kenneth Copeland says
“You don’t have a god in you, you are one.” The Force of Love tape #02-0028 side 1.
This drive to get people motivated to do what Jesus did or God does sounds like the call another Alice Bailey group called Institute for Planetary Servers in Geneva which says on their web page “New Group of World Servers”
“These men and women of goodwill must be found and organised and thus discover their numerical potency – for it is there. They must form a world group, standing for right human relations and educating the public in the nature and power of goodwill. They will thus create a world public opinion which will be so forceful and so outspoken on the side of human welfare that leaders, statesmen, politicians, businessmen, and churchmen will be forced to listen and comply. Steadily and regularly, the public must be taught an internationalism and world unity which based on simple goodwill and cooperative interdependence.” Problems of Humanity pg 177
This is why it is so hard to see, as it is all covered in good works and the common good and we are currently right in the middle of this “mental conditioning”.
Rick Warren stated at the 2009 Islamic Society Convention run by Islamic Society of North America ISNA
“I am not interested in interfaith dialogue, I am interested in interfaith projects… Talk is cheap… Love is something you do… As the two largest faiths on this planet. Muslims and Christians, we must lead in this… We need a coalition of people as Dr Matteson called ‘people of goodwill’” people of goodwill committed to the common good”
Alice Bailey was right, the “numerical potency… is there” to teach “internationalism and world unity… based on simple good will…”.
H P Blavatsky speaks in a similar vein
“ …even in the absence of… great gifts one may do good in a smaller and humbler way by taking note and exposing the crying vices and evils of the day, by word and deed, by publications and practical example. Let the force of that example impress others to follow it; and then instead of deriding our doctrines and aspirations the men of the XXth, if not the XIXth century will see…” Theosophy or Jesuitism by H P Blavatsky Published in Lucifer June 1888.
Rick Warren uses scripture to say the same thing, quoting the story of Moses at the burning bush asking “What’s in your hand” he then proceeds to tell the non christian audience at TED 2006 that
“You’ve got identity, income, influence… what are you going to to with what you’ve been given?… And I guess that’s the main reason why I came up here today to all of you very bright people at TED is to say what’s in your hand. ”
He is motivating the masses to provide “force to that example” as Rick Warren is providing “force for that example”.
Notice not doing unto Christ, but for the betterment of the world regardless.
I can see now why Jesus said in Matthew 10:39
“He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.”
Notice the emphasis that it has to be for “my sake” for the sake of Jesus Christ and that “my sake” is seriously lacking in everything Rick Warren says.
In regards to philanthropy and generosity Rick Warren boasts (though says he isn’t boasting about it whilst he tells you) that he and his wife reverse tithe. Living off 10% of their income and giving away 90%. He says it in his book, he says it in numerous speeches I have seen him give. That is quite a boast, and like the Pharisees blowing their “trumpet” he has received his reward.
Considering 2 Thessalonians 2:7-11
“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:”
The power of the delusion is in it’s claim to righteousness.
Also notice the term “steady and regularly” used by the World Servers, for H G Wells states
“THERE WILL BE NO day of days then when a new world order comes
into being. Step by step and here and there it will arrive…” New World
Order pg 105
We know differently because scripture claims there is a day of days.
Yet H G Wells is not speaking ignorantly. He used to be a member of the Fabian Society whose symbol till recently was a ‘Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing’:
”Fabius Maximus (surnamed Cunctator, on account of his seeming dilatoriness), and in the earliest publications of the Society the plan of campaign was indicated by the following motto, the latter part of which will not bear exact historical scrutiny:
‘For the right moment you must wait, as Fabius did most patiently when warring against Hannibal, though many censured his delays; but, when the time comes, you must strike hard, as Fabius did, or your waiting will be in vain and fruitless.’ pg 674 Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics Volume 5 Edited by James Hastings.
This was the exact statement also made by ex Australian Prime Minister Bob Hawke in 1984 to the Fabian Society. (A Rhodes Scholar. And current PM Julia Gillard was also a leader of the Fabian’s at university up till 2006. Some of her speeches are also eye opening apart from the fact she was charged with treason 29th January 2007 and sits in Parliament contravening Section 44i and ii of the Australian Constitution.)
The Aquarian Conspiracy also quotes a letter from a Clinical Psychologist stating
“I have worked consistently toward raising the transpersonal banner at this hospital—slowly, because this state is not in the progressive swing the Bay Area and Los Angeles are in… try to remember to “hasten slowly” on this path. Little by little we are permeating the clinical fabric of treatment here.”
You will find the web of deceit links many diverse associations together.
Scripture says
“They hatch cockatrice’ eggs, and weave the spider’s web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.”
Isaiah 59:5
“For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.” Jeremiah 8:17
Now though Rick Warren claims that “churches are dying”. The true church is actually being strengthened right now because it’s members are waking up and being separated “sheep from goats” because we are led of the Lord not driven by Rick Warren’s pastors who are educated by the trickle down effect that is coming directly from occultists.
If there has been any spiritual “dying” it has come from too many Pastors and Christians eating the cockatrice eggs of gradualism. Slowly preaching less and less truth over the last 150 years, so then how does preaching even less truth solve the problem?
But “Fear Not” it is God’s church, he can do with it as He pleases, be it chastise, bless, cull, divide, harvest, scatter or gather. Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.
The early church was scattered, not because they were cursed but because God wanted them to bless. Rick Warren is too simplistic about a very long, deep complex matter of history and diversity between churches.
His statement “Churches that refuse to change will miss the reformation, and are dying.” is a very concerning statement once you understand what is behind it.
This leads us into a twisted obsession with death which gets at the very root of what the New Age is all about.
Listen to the snake in the grass waiting for it’s prey as Rick Warren expounds his “Biblical” methods in dealing with those who disagree with him saying,
“If your church has been plateaued for six months, it might take six months to get it going again. If it’s been plateaued a year, it might take a year. If it’s been plateaued for 20 years, you’ve got to set in for the duration! I’m saying some people are going to have to die or leave.” Article on Rick Warrens Website “What Do You Do When Your Church Hits a Plateau?”
Not only is this twisted, this is speaking evil.
It is not by chance that scripture also speaks about this
Psalms 8:36 “… all they that hate me love death.”
(As you will see this gets into some serious and relevant issues facing us right now.)
Not Jesus, the Disciples nor any man of God has ever considered “biding their time till the “reprobate “die off”. They preached the truth till they were convicted from scripture by the Holy Spirit or some left sick of hearing the Word of God or some were removed. But for Rick Warren to propose that Pastor’s wait out the “oldies” till they die smacks of the same attitude organisations like the Vatican or the Freemasons have.
Leonard Sweet author of Soul Tsunami states
“Reinvent yourself for the 21st century or die. Some would rather die than change.” pg 75.
I guess that’s why Rick Warren endorses his books.
Another author Warren plagiarises from states this
“Life will change its form (that is, adapt Itself to become sustainable) before it will allow any Part of Life to render Life Itself dysfunctional. And so you will see individuals who ignore the most important and functional messages of Life changing form. To put this in your own terms, they will die.” pg 96 Tomorrows God Neale Donald Walsch.
Neale Donald Walsch also glowingly endorses Barbara Marx Hubbard who states the most vile horrors regarding those who refuse to change and insist on “separation” as stated by her spirit guide in 1980
“We come to bring death to those who are unable to know God… The riders of the pale horse are about to pass among you. Grim reapers, they will separate the wheat from the chaff. This is the most painful period in the history of humanity.’ pg 321 False Dawn from pg 60-61 Barbara Marx Hubbard Co-Creation: An Evolutionary Interpretation of the New Testament.
She also states
“All those… maintaining that illusion of separation, will become extinct… Just as Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal humans became extinct…” Barbara Marx Hubbard ‘Happy Birthday Planet Earth pg 17.
The title of Hubbard’s book is quite apt Happy Birthday Planet earth.
There are only two birthdays in the Bible. What happened at them?
See Homo Noeticus is coming.
Seems the foolishness of the cross is such to Rick Warren where in Hebrew 11:36-38
“… others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.”
All these 19 centuries of trial and tribulation could have been avoided if we just did what Warren does which is nothing short of what Emperor Constantine did with his edict of toleration.
It killed the true church.
So when we later hear we need to change, “get along”, “work together”, we need to consider this from Morals and Dogma
“When despotism and superstition, twin-powers of evil and darkness,reigned everywhere and seemed invincible and immortal, it invented, to avoid persecution, the mysteries, that is to say, the allegory, the symbol, and the emblem, and transmitted its doctrines by the secret mode of initiation.” Morals and Dogma Section XIV. GRAND ELECT, PERFECT, AND SUBLIME MASON by Albert Pike.
This is an initiation the whole world is being prepared for so the esoteric doctrines of the mysteries become exoteric, and everyone will embrace them. We don’t even recognise the allegories (stories from Hollywood, Fairy Tales, Music etc), symbols (designs, colours and numbers), emblem. (signs, company logos, flags, etc)
Scripture does not speak vainly when it says in 1 John 5:19
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
Jesus said that we should not be surprised when we are persecuted, He did not at any time say to find ways to avoid being persecuted. That is called apostasy (no daily cross) and mixing truth with error, aka “marrying and giving in marriage”.
Richard Kirby of the Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge speaks our language but does not mean what we mean stating:
“Christians know that a man must die to himself before he can… be born again in spirit. It may well be that mankind as a whole must be crucified, even unto death, before coming into it’s inheritance… Christians can say with Teilhard de Chardin, that death itself is beneficent, the only way to grow beyond forms which have served their limited purpose…, but with the serious and the worried, they look upon the possible extermination of the human race secure in the knowledge that it could be but a prelude to the resurrection of the species.”
They are not talking about taking up your cross daily or dying daily as you will see, though how many of us actually do this in our covetous materialistic west beggars an answer.
Rick Warren again from Purpose Driven Life espouses the view of self-sacrifice on pg 18-19
“Self-help is no help at all. Self-sacrifice is the way, my way, to finding yourself, your true self.” Matthew 16:25
Self Sacrifice is not what the scripture actually says. It actually says
“For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.”
Self-Sacrifice is not dying to self, and dying to self is not about finding the psychological concept of your “true self”. This is a concept all religions have and it is a good works orientated philosophy tending to earning your way to heaven, penance, etc.
So why is he pushing this Bible version when he has so many others to choose from?
It is a terribly indictment that many will give their lives for “the planet” but not for “His names sake” all for “good works” in unrighteousness. Maybe that’s why.
Alice Bailey emphasises the need for sacrifice too
“…the present world order can be so modified and changed that a new world and a new race of men can gradually come into being. Renunciation and the use of the sacrificial will should be the keynote for the interim period after the war, prior to the inauguration of the New Age.”
The Aquarian Conspiracy again explains more about this “new race of men” saying
”The mysteries we will explore… are not remote from us… but ourselves. Our brains and bodies. The genetic code.” because “Our own biology is the key…” for a “human metamorphosis”.
She concludes
“… the chromosomes are splitting to go forward with a new pattern of life.”
We are told in scripture that “we shall be changed…” and “given bodies of light.”
Do you see what Satan has planned. notice the counterfeit.
They are seeking God through science they hope found in every atom to prove “God In All”. They are doing this right now!
Not forgetting Warrens speech at Anahiem Stadium, it is not surprising that there was a Purpose for Hitler too. He was initiated by Theosophists and a offshoot called the Thule Society exploring this change whilst generating much “human sacrifice”. WW2 was an occult ceremony of blood letting. He was also looking to found a super race.
(The very Purpose of “sacrifice” is as stated by many a serious occultist, being to raise the interest, acquire the attention of the disinterested entities of the other dimensions, and turn their faces us-ward.)
Understand this is not finished with yet.
Multitudes of Christians were exterminated in the name of being “little christs” aka Christians (a title given followers of the Way: not Taoism which also mean the way).
Massacred down through the centuries even today sacrificed, so too, now at the end of the age, mad men and women, lovers of Lucifer are convinced the only way to save the planet is through making more “christs” and politically correctly “depopulating the planet”, which when you listen to them speak and see their plans it is nothing short of the massacre of God’s creation and undoing God’s original command “… go forth and Multiply.” “fill the earth.”
(The hidden message is in this attack on Carbon Emissions. What do humans breath out? How do we reduce that? It is also an unusual fact that a carbon atom possesses 6 electrons, 6 protons and 6 neutrons.)
It is worth listening to the wisdom set forth by Lee Penn in his False Dawn
“We need to be alert, and not ignore those who have written the present era’s equivalents to Hitler’s Mein Kampf and Lenin’s What Is To Be Done?” pg 27
Books by those Rick Warren endorse, and those his endorsee’s associate with.
You will find those who endorse depopulation take their heritage from those expounding depopulation 150 years ago, when the planet had only 1 billion people.
Do you think Bill and Melinda Gates are all about helping people for example, lets examine Bill Gates at the TED 2010 conference which video I quote from.
“We put out …for each American … 20 tonnes of carbon, for people in poor countries it’s less than 1 tonne… so somehow we have to make changes to bring that down to 0… This equation has four factors in it. Co2 (which we need to get to 0 = People x Services each person uses on average x Energy on average for each service x Co2 being put out per unit of energy. Probably one of these numbers is going to have to get near to 0… The world has 6.8 billion people, that’s headed up to 9 billion. Now if we do a real great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services we could lower that by perhaps 10 – 15%.”
Interestingly Bill Gates uses the “Windows” logo. Investigate the Philosopher’s Square and you will find that his symbol along with the meanings of the colours (if you understand witchcraft aka Harry Potter and colours) communicate a message.
The Swastika is called the 8th sign of the Philosopher’s Square, (remove the appropriate sides.)
The World Health Organisation back in 1980’s were caught out sterilising 30,000 Filipino women under the guise of offering a vaccine for malaria.
Remember the World Group of Servers
“They will thus create a world public opinion which will be so forceful and so outspoken on the side of human welfare that leaders, statesmen, politicians, businessmen, and churchmen will be forced to listen and comply.”
It is through Philanthropy that the Plan wields it’s moral and ethical conviction and pressures us into supporting it because it is for “humanitarian reasons” and could not possibly be ungodly to do good.
Woe to them that call evil good and good evil, and even more woes for them who perform evil as though it were good. Here from the 1848 plan revealed by Abbate Leone (ex Jesuit Noviate quoting a Jesuit meeting of superiors) we can see the curtains of history fall before our eyes:
“… there are doubtless many on whom these words, prayer, religion, church, glory of God, conversion of sinners, exercise a magic power. There are others for whom there is divine meaning in the words abolition of slavery, reformation of abuses, love of humanity, instruction of the people, universal charity. Well, let us sing in all these keys (cantiamo su questi tuoni medesimi), let us not be sparing of the characteristic terms of their language. Let us say that Catholicism alone knows how to inspire philanthropy and heroism, and proofs of this will not fail us. But, under cover of all these forms, we must never lose sight of our final project.” pg 192 Abbate Leone Secret Plan of the Order.
H P Blavatsky wrote an article called “The Tidal Wave” and in it like Abbate Leone’s book “The Plan” speaks about finding authors, and others from various strains of life to get their ideas into the minds of the people saying that there is a
“… great psychic and spiritual change now taking place…” where “… a new race of authors… are needed in our day of reawakening; not authors writing for wealth or fame, but fearless apostles of the living Word of Truth…” whilst “the rich who have to be regenerated”, to become “… philanthropists and altruists of our age; the people’s friends, the unselfish lovers of man… To them alone is given the mission of turning the “Upper Ten” of social circles… to the arduous and thorny path of higher moral problems, and the perception of loftier moral duties…” to change the “…immoral classes…” The Tidal Wave by H P Blavatsky published in Lucifer November 1888.
Consider American Ted Turner a Multi Billionaire network owner of CNN in the US speaking to a group of broadcasters saying:
“Delegtes to the United Nations are not as important as the people in this room. We are the ones who determine what the peoples attitudes are. It is in our hands.”
With such clout Alice Bailey’s “world public opinion” has become a science.
Ted Turner is one of the 21 co-chairs of State of the World Forum run by Mikhail Gorbachev, expressed these next sentiments
“A total world population of 250 – 300 Million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” Interview with Audubon Magazine.
“Personally I think the population should be closer to when we had indigenous populations, back before the advent of farming. Fifteen thousand years ago there was somewhere between 40 and 100 million people. But… if we are going to have a modern infrastructure, with commercial airlines and interstate highways around the world, we’re going to need about two billion people to support it.” Tracey C. Rembert, “Ted Turner: Billionaire, Media Mogul… and Environmentalist” (Interview, E magazine, January/February 1999, Volume X, number 1, pg 10.
For interests sake, in 1988 Turner said
“America needs to elect a New Age President by the year 2000 if we are to survive.”
Such an extreme view on population reduction and dumbing down the majority is major policy equally espoused by the United Nations.
The UN said in it’s 2001 report on Global Biodiversity that
“an ‘agricultural world’ in which most human beings are peasants, should be able to support 5 to 7 billion people…. In contrast, a reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be 1 billion” lines 1782-1786
New Age Episcopal priest and mystic Matthew Fox expresses similar sentiments by writing
“It has been suggested that we call a United Species Conference – a conference far more representative than the United Nations is – and put this one question to the ten million representatives (one for each species): ‘Should the human species be allowed to continue on this planet?’ The vote would most likely be 9,999,999, to 1 that we humans, with our dualistic hatred of the earth, of one another, and of our own existence, be banished to some distant place in the galaxy so that Mother Earth could continue her birthing of beauty, amazement, colors, and health.” The Coming Cosmic Christ: The Healing of Mother Earth and the Birth of a Global Renaissance by Matthew Fox. Pg 45
That sounds exactly like Keanu Reeves in “The Day the Earth Stood Still” where he says
KR “This planet is dying, the human race is killing it.”
Girl “So you’ve come here to help us”
KR “No I didn’t”
Girl “You said you came to save us.”
KR “I said I came to save the earth.”
Girl “You came the save the earth from us.”
KR “We can’t risk the survival of this planet for the sake of one species”.
Girl “What are you saying?”
KR “If the earth dies you die. If you die the earth survives. There are only a handful of planets in the cosmos that are capable of supporting complex life. This one can’t be allowed to perish.”
Girl “We can CHANGE. We can still turn things around.”
KR “We waited and hoped that you would change. It’s reached the tipping point (aka critical mass) we have to act.” The Day The Earth Stood Still
OR consider Hugo Weaving as Mr Smith in the Matrix speaking to Morpheus saying
“I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species, I realised that your not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply, and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern, do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, your a plague, and we are the cure.”
Hollywood (the type of wood a wand is made from) is not in Los Angeles (City of Messengers) for no good PURPOSE. They preach the message that needs to get in our heads. Stop listening and start hearing. Stop watching and start perceiving. The Word of God is relevant for today, we don’t have to make it relevant.
This sounds not to dissimilar from, once again, Alice Bailey who claims in her Education in the New Age on page 111 that World War 1 and 2 were about removing
88
“… a violent streptococcic germ and infection…” that “… the germ to be sure is not erradicated…” and would require “… another surgical operation…”.
Not to dissimilar to Prince Phillip who stated in August 1988 to Deutsche Press Agentur and expressed similar sentiments in his book “If I were an animal” published in 1986.
“In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.”
He also made it clear in his 1988 book “Down to Earth” that
“…as a boy I was made aware of the annual fluctuations in the number of game animals and the need to adjust the “cull” to the size of the surplus population.”
In the US a strange monument was erected mysteriously and those responsible remain anonymous. This monument was called “The Georgia Guidestones” which reads as its first commandment
“1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.”
Commandment 10 reads
“10.Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.”
The ranting of these dangerous lunatics go on
“Depopulation should be the highest priority of foreign policy towards the third world” Henry Kissinger 1974.
The UN’s WHO in 1972 requested one means by which this could become possible in it’s Bulletin 47th Vol pgs 257 – 274
“An attempt should be made to ascertain whether viruses can in fact exert selective effects on immune function, e.g, by… affecting T cell function as opposed to B cell function. The possibility should also be looked into that the immune response to the virus itself may be impaired if the infecting virus damages more or less selectively the cells responding to the viral antigens.”
What does that describe? AIDS. (It took me some searching to find this report on the UN’s website. At first I thought it was a bad joke when I couldn’t find it.)
The London times May 11 1987 also adds further light to this report saying
”The incidence of AIDS infections in Africa coincides exactly with the locations of the WHO smallpox vaccination program in the mid 1970’s.”
(It becomes strange that Rick Warren is involved in Africa and is campaigning regarding AIDS.)
It is also interesting to assess the value placed upon illness by these “change agents” as explained in the Aquarian Conspiracy
“Illness, as Pelletier and many others have said, is potentially transformative because it can cause a sudden shift in values, an awakening.” pg 257
Thus this intimates that causing sickness to achieve these ends are also not beyond these people.
There is other information to this that I am coming across that makes it clear that numerous “spiritualists” which is what these people are, are looking for “altering” humans via, “hormones”, “genes”, “chromosomes” etc see Teilhard de Chardin for example.
In an address to to the Arcane School Conference in Geneve, Switzerland, Alice Bailey spoke about the “Shamballa force” and it’s part to play in bringing about the New Age, continuing the Plan and initiating those left.
“The decision to release the Shamballa force during this century into direct contact with the human kingdom is one of the final and most compelling acts of preparation for the New Age. The Shamballa force is destructive and ejective… inspiring new understanding of The Plan… It is this force… which will bring about that tremendous crisis, the initiation of the race into the mysteries of the ages.” The Externalising of the Mysteries Part 1 Pg 171
What is this Shamballa force? Is she speaking metaphorically and or spiritually? No she is speaking literally!
“The men who inspired the initiating French Revolution; the great conqueror, Napoleon; Bismarck, creator of a nation; Mussolini, the regenerator of his people; Hitler who lifted a distressed people upon his shoulders; Lenin, the idealist, Stalin and Franco… great and outstanding personalities who were peculiarly sensitive to the will-to-power and the will-to-change;… expressions of the Shamballa force…” Externalisation of the Hierarchy by Alice Bailey pg 133
You should be very, very concerned about the way Rick Warren spoke about Hitler, Mao and Lenin. It needs to be asked “Who is his Jesus?”.
Revelation 17:5-6 tells us about a mystery saying
”And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”
You will find that I am merely scratching the surface on this topic, but whenever they speak about it, like any policy these days, there is always good justification for evil.
Rick Warren also mentions “continuous learning” which seems like 2 Timothy 3:7
“Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
The UN has a policy of “life long learning”, so whose teaching who?
So whilst Rick Warren terms this Reformation a “Second Reformation”, Robert Schuller calls this “The New Reformation”.
Leonard Sweet, author of “Quantum Spirituality” and “Soul Tsunami” calls it “a post Modern Reformation.”.
Rick Warren wrote an endorsement on the front cover of the book Soul Tsunami stating
“Soul Tsunami shows us why these are the greatest days for evangelism since the first century.”
Evangelism for who though? Either Rick Warren is careless about his endorsement’s, which by now is clearly not the case, or he is transitioning the church into paganism and occultism.
Consider Leonard Sweet who states in his book Quantum Spirituality
“One can be a faithful disciple of Jesus Christ without denying the flickers of the sacred in followers of Yahweh, or Kali, or Krishna.”
Do you know who Kali is for example?
“She wears two dead bodies for earrings, and a necklace of skulls, and her tongue hangs down to her chin. The hands of several giants are hung as a girdle round her loins, and her tresses fall down to her heels. Having drunk the blood of the giants she has slain in combat, her eyebrows are bloody, and the blood is falling in a stream down her breast; her eyes are red like those of a drunkard. She stands with one leg on the breast of her husband Shiva, and rests the other on his thigh’ ” pg 492 Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics Volume 2.
Worshippers of Kali also practise Tantric Yoga, meditating on the severed head of a person and other abominable acts.
We are currently in the Kali Age according to Hinduism and Buddhism (of which “sacrifice” appears as a key principle but only Brahman’s are rightful recipients.)
Leonard Sweet is not too dissimilar to this masonic sentiment
“In his private petitions a man may petition God or Jehovah, Allah or Buddha, Mohammed or Jesus; he may call upon the God of Israel or the Great First Cause. In the Masonic Lodge he hears petition to the Great architect of the Universes, finding his own deity under that name. A hundred paths may wind upward around a mountain; at the top they meet.” Introduction to Freemasonry by Carl Claudy 1931.
I think Leonard Sweet means these are the greatest days of “evangelism” for Lucifer because they have been planned that way. As Leonard Sweet reveals his sources and influences stating
“I am grateful to David Spangler for his help in formulating this “new cell” understanding of new Light leadership.”
So who’s David Spangler?
David Spangler’s website states that he has worked since 1965
“… clairvoyantly with a group of non-physical beings from the inner world of spirits”.
David Spangler is on the Board of Directors of Planetary Citizens, United Nations and has authored numerous New Age books. One book “The Birth of a New Age” written in 1977 calls for a “… Luciferic Initiation in the New Age.” where no one will be able to enter the New Age without it ie: execution.
He repeats such sentiments in his book Reflections On Christ
“Lucifer comes to give us the final … Luciferic initiation … that many people now and in the days ahead, will be facing—for it is an initiation into the New Age. … No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian initiation.”
He also states
“Lucifer works within each of us to bring us to wholeness, and as we move into a New Age… each of us in some way is brought to that point which I term the Luciferic Initiation, the particular doorway through which the individual must pass if he is to come fully into the presence of his light and wholeness. Lucifer prepares man in all his ways for the experience of Christhood… The light that reveals to us the presence of the Christ… comes from Lucifer. He is the light-giver, he is aptly named the Morning Star because it is his light that heralds for man the dawn of a great consciousness… He stands… as the Great Initiator, the one who hands the soul over to the Christ.”
New Age is another term for this “Reformation”, but also note Morning Star is the name Jesus has in Rev 2:28 and Rev 22:16 in the KJV but in the NIV Jesus’ title is used in Is 14:12 the same scripture the KJV refers to Lucifer.
Alice Bailey uses another term for New World Order and Reformation being “Fifth Kingdom” which is related to her “Fifth Root Race” aka Hitler’s Aryan doctrine.
She states that 10 seed groups (which Blavatsky called “Upper Ten” of social circles) which are
“… in process of being “esoterically anchored” in the field of the world… to precipitate and further the growth of the kingdom of God that in such a manner this fifth kingdom in nature may be a tangible, factual and objective occurrence on the earth.” Discipleship in the New Age by Alice Bailey.
H G Wells, himself an initiate, also calls it “The New World Order” like Spangler, George Bush Snr, George W Bush, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI and numerous others, of which he discloses
“Countless people, from maharajas to millionaires and from pukkha sahibs to pretty ladies, will hate the new world order, be rendered unhappy by frustration of their passions and ambitions through its advent and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to estimate its promise we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents…” H.G.Wells The New World Order pg 111
Notice the clear understanding that a generation will be in distress due to the transitioning and like Rick Warren waiting out the “malcontent” till they “die protesting against it.”
C. Peter Wagner, Christian Church Growth Guru has another name calling it “3rd Wave” and “The New Apostolic Reformation.”.
Rick Warren received his Doctorate from Fuller Theological Seminary under the tutelage of C. Peter Wagner. This may explain the influence of the first chapter in Purpose Driven Church titled “Surfing the Wave”, hardly a veiled reference to 3rd Wave and his collaboration with Leonard Sweet on their audio set in 1994 titled “Tides of Change: Riding the next Wave in Ministry”.
Yes Leonard Sweet who thanks David Spangler worked with Rick Warren on that audio together.
Equally relevant is an article already mentioned written by H P Blavatsky published in November 1889 in a publication “Lucifer” called “The Tidal Wave”.
Why do they abuse scripture so brazenly?
For they seek Him the wrong way.
“ O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea: ” Isaiah 48:18
What I want you to understand is where this is coming from, because what they speak is not the end, it is only the introduction.
It is also interesting that C Peter Wagner was also 1 of 12 “Apostles” who commissioned a Pastor called Todd Bentley into ministry.
At the commissioning of this violent preacher, it was prayed that the opening of the star gates or portals occur.
You may wish to check out what this is about, as this is a summoning of spirits. The star gates are positions on the ley lines around the earth “centres of spiritual power” allowing otherworldly beings to cross from their world into ours, according to the beliefs of occultists. AKA TV show Stargate.
C Peter Wagner, as far as I am concerned, and I say this with caution, is at best a Christian witch and the preacher he commissioned is one too, even possibly a Satanist, going by the tattoos he got after he “accepted Christ”.
I am not speaking ignorantly. I used to read some of Wagner’s stuff.
Go check out some videos on Todd Bentley too.
C Peter Wagner has taught some strange things but back in 1993 he said the reason for the then economic crash of the Japanese economy was because the Emperor had sex with a succubus.
Not loosing where we were at we have had the terms “2nd Reformation, New Reformation, Post Modern Reformation, New World Order, New Age, Kingdom of God, Fifth Kingdom, 3rd Wave, New Apostolic Reformation” and the New Age Calls it “The Age of Aquarius”.
Rick Warren is a self declared Pastor to Rupert Murdoch (a Double Papal Knight and Freemason), publisher of his “Purpose Driven” books through his company Zondervan.
Rupert Murdoch owns both companies who publish both the NIV (Zondervan) and Anton LaVey’s Satanic Bible (Harper Collins, which Zondervan is a subsidiary.).
He also makes hundreds of millions of dollars through his pornography assets.
Out of these funds, Rupert Murdoch donated $2,000,000 to Warrens PEACE Plan.
Yet, Rick Warren accepts the money and neither corrects, rebukes or excommunicates Murdoch for this. “But wisdom is justified of her children…”.
Recently at President Obama’s inauguration Barrack Obama had Rick Warren perform the “invocation” where he praised God as “compassionate and merciful”.
And concluded his prayer to Yeshua, Jesus, Isa for the sake of Muslims.
(Isa is the name Muslim’s give to their Koranic Jesus (not the son of God) whilst Christian Arabs call Jesus Yasa).
He also attended the 2009 Islamic Society Convention run by Islamic Society of North America ISNA who has ties with Hamas and other terrorist groups.
Excuses could be made aplenty for Rick Warren, but don’t, let him speak for himself. In an email sent to reporter Joseph Farrar of World Net Daily he claimed he was “close friend of President Bush” and “ many, if not most of the generals at the Pentagon.” that he “counselled with the National Security Council and the White House, as well as the State Department” ending with this bold claim
”In fact ‘as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Oxford Analytica, I might know as much about the Middle East as you.” ARTICLE: Megapastor Rick Warren’s Damascus Road experience Posted: November 20, 2006 By Joseph Farah
ISNA leader Sayid Seed recently attended Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church.
The ISNA website has these quotes listed on their site
“The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.’”
“May Allah fight the Jews and the Christians? They took the graves of their Prophets as places of prostration. Two deens [religions] shall not co-exist in the land of the Arabs.”
“I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”
“The Dajjal [Devil, Antichrist] would be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan wearing Persian shawls.”
“Ibn Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) stoned to death the Jews, both male and female, who had committed adultery.”
If Rick Warren has such amazing connections he certainly would know what ISNA stand for.
I know that Paul the Apostle would have preached Jesus the Son of God crucified, and risen. Rick didn’t. So it is no surprise Rick Warren signed a collaborative letter
“Loving God and Neighbor Together: A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You” published in response to a letter from 138 Muslim scholars and clerics on October 13, 2007 which stated many thing including
“Before we “shake your hand” in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.”
Firstly a “Common word” is used in Islam as a defacto declaration of conversion to Islam.
Thus by these ignorant “Christians” signing this document they have in fact converted to Islam in the eyes of Muslims.
Secondly, never is the All-Merciful One a title used by the Father, Son or Spirit.
It is 1 of 99 specific titles of Allah which is found in all but one Sura of the Koran.
Allah of course is not Yahweh, Allah is a masculine form of the Moon deity derived from Allon !ALa; in Hebrew (which is close to Arabic) and means Oak or great tree. The meaning of which is not lost when you realise that the female goddess of the moon was worshipped as a tree (Christmas tree) and or cone aka Venus. Equally when Belshazzar was dealt with directly by the finger of God in Daniel 5:24-25
“Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written.. And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.“
Mene mene can mean the “numberer has been numbered”.
The numberer was the Moon deity. God issued judgement on Allah, Venus, Aphrodite, Ashtarte, Isis, Ishtar, Diana, Mary, etc. You could say the Ashteroth.
When Cyrus (God’s anointed) conquered Babylon, the Chaldee’s fled and took their religion to Pergamus “where Satan’s seat is” as per Revelation. It again moved c133BC to Rome.
This was the common deity worshipped by all the Bedouin tribes in the Arabian Peninsula thus why most Islamic countries have the crescent moon on their flag and why there is a crescent moon on top of most Mosques along with a star. It is Sun and Moon worship, like Roman Catholicism.
Examine the Black Stone of Omar or as “The History of the Christian Church Volume 4” by Phillip Schaff informs us, this black stone
“… is called in Arabic Hhajera el-Assouád, the Heavenly Stone.”
which they kiss at the Kaaba. Try and tell me this is not female fertility worship! The Black stone also infers this back historically to the goddess.
“This is not the only “Black Stone” to occur in the history of religions. In 218 e.v., the Roman Emperor Elagabalus (“Heliogabalus”), who had been a priest of the local Baal in the Syrian city of Emesa (Homs), established the cult of the Sol Invictus Elagabal in Rome. This Deity was worshipped in the form of a black, conical, meteoric stone, and was ceremonially “married” by Elagabalus to an image of the Moon Goddess Astarte. The devotees of Cybelê also revered a black, meteoric stone.” Mystery of Mystery: a Primer of Thelemic Ecclesiastical Gnosticism,” published by J. Edward and Marlene Cornelius as Number 2 of the private Thelemic journal Red Flame.
Of course Rick Warren can just play the usual double tongue game and say our Father in Heaven is a God of Mercy unless you know these facts.
He also said at the ISNA run Convention:
“… you also need to know that I am committed not just what I call the “Good News,” but I am committed to the common good. And as the Scripture says “Love your neighbour as yourself.” I am commanded to love and I am commanded to respect everybody. Everybody. Now I was asked to speak to you about how Muslims and Christians can work closer together for the greater good, in our world… Tolerance is not enough. People do not want to be tolerated, they want to be respected. They want to be treated with dignity. They want to be listened to. They want to be valued. And as the Holy Scriptures tell us since we are created in the image of God, each person has intrinsic value and dignity. We may disagree over policy, we may disagree over behavior, but we are called, and we are commanded, to treat each other with dignity and respect. Now let me get real practical about this. That means we need to join together,..”
Equally examine what those on the syncratic religious front are saying. The URI (United Religions Initiative) led by Bishop Swing had this to say at the global summit meeting in 1996
“The sooner we can get religions to come together to serve the common good, the sooner global issues will have a chance for solution.” The opening speech for the opening of the URI summit by Bishop William Swing 1996 pg 5 from False Dawn by Lee Penn pg 222
Can you tell what the weather will be tomorrow? Can you tell the signs of the times?
Global issues are all about obtaining a goal. That goal, is forcing mankind to work to a common good and thus encourage us to abandon the faith and our convictions, rub by rub, erosion by erosion, here a little, there a little. Rick Warren is doing just that.
Firstly Jesus did not say to seek the greater good He also did not tell us to preach the common good news. All I shall do is compare what the World Group of Servers stated before
“Steadily and regularly, the public must be taught an internationalism and world unity which based on simple goodwill and cooperative interdependence.” Problems of Humanity pg 177
Secondly Jesus did not say to respect everyone, and though He said to love one another, He was speaking in terms of those in Christ. A fact Rick Warren himself declares in his PDL book pg 124.
Love does not mean respect, and though we are told to honour, this is in relation to
“Honour our parents”, “give honour to whom honour is due” eg: Ceaser.
Look at the examples of respect:
God respected Abel, but did not respect Cain.
In Leviticus 19 we are told to not respect the poor, not honour the mighty but to have righteous judgement.
We are also told there is no respect of persons with the Lord.
We are told to respect His commandments, His Way, His Statutes.
Respecting everyone means unrighteousness to someone.
Why then does Rick Warren clearly contradict scripture especially Peter 2:9
“But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. “
What Rick Warren is proposing is political and he is not a political leader (or so he claims).
Rick Warren’s job is to shepherd his flock and proclaim the gospel. He fails on both accounts.
It also seems he has influenced my employer, because this is what is being foisted upon Government workers here in Australia.
Clearly Rick Warren has not influenced my employer, my point is this, Rick Warren is not the one speaking, this is the World Government speaking through him, because what he is on about is also what the public service workplace is implementing and indoctrinating it’s workers with on the other side of the world.
Notice how he states “people want to be treated with dignity.”
This “Dignity and Respect” is a specific policy in my workplace and in many others.
Another interesting contrast is a poster in the meal rooms at work and reads:
“We want to be known as Australia’s World Class railway”
Underneath is in large letters “VISION”.
This is no coincidence then that Rick Warren specifically redefines VISION in line with corporate VISION.
He uses the verse Proverbs 29:18 once again from the message, massacring it since the idea of vision used here is in relation to the law of God.
He also states
“I know my leadership style. I am a big-picture, vision-casting leader. . . . There is nothing inherently right or wrong about being a vision-casting leader. It is simply the way God wired me.” [http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/200401/200401_20_pastors.cfm]
Vision casting, is this anything akin to spell casting?
Can I say I have also been through this under different terminology in the Pentecostal Church. What is going on is deeply disturbing to my heart and generates a terrible sorrow in my heart.
There are a number of words for vision in Hebrew yet regardless of which one you pick it is clear that even an estatic vision that is of God does not mean the idea we have today of a corporate vision which is a man generated vision for the future of an organisation. Nor the Eastern idea of “visualisation” whereby we see things into being which is another Robert Schuller teaching, or David Paul Yonggi Cho “incubating faith” which is another term for visualisation.
Another term used by Rob Bell is “repaint Christianity” and Brian McLaren calls it “A New Kind of Christianity”.
Rather when Rick Warren Vision Casts is he having a vision in an ecstatic state? Maybe a vision in the night (dream)? Possibly a Oracle, Prophecy via Divine communication?
No he is not having a singfle Biblically defined vision.
Equally what is important is to understand that roots for vision in Hebrew is based upon seeing with the intelligence and or by experience (like you’ve done this before and can perceive the outcome.)
I do not see vision casting nor corporate vision employing anything but the vain imaginations of man planning outside of the will of God to accomplish all his own good pleasure.
It appears vision casting has more in common with Genesis 11:6
“And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.”
The Hebrew for imagined is ~m;z” zamam which means
“to have a thought, devise, plan, consider, purpose 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to consider, fix thought upon 1a2) to purpose, devise 1a3) to plot (of evil intent)”
Adds new impetus to the “zamam driven life”, or “zamam driven church”.
I will leave that there for you to ponder.
Marilyn Ferguson in her Book The Aquarian Conspiracy highlights the concept of vision stating
“Social, scientific, and political revolutions all take their contemporaries by surprise— except for the “visionaries” who seem to have detected the coming change from early,sketchy information.” pg 38
It is important that we ask if Rick Warren’s “vision” is God’s vision, or the vision of a false prophet.
As per Jeremiah 23:16. The men of God of old never “vision cast”.
They received the vision and they wrote it down which we have today as the Word of God.
There are only three types of vision. A vision God has given, or a vision from a deluded heart, a worthless divination, or vision of the night, a dream or nightmare.
When I was in the Pentecostal Church, they began the practice of “seeing” people into the empty seats of the church. “Visualisation” was an accepted practice, as was many other things. (And yet people who swallow this are affronted by Word Faith televangelists who teach the same things.)
The following kind words spoken about Rick Warren are quite revealing
“The best of the evangelical tradition is that you don’t plan your way forward — you prophecy your way forward,’ the theologian Leonard Sweet says. ‘Rick’s prophesying his way forward.'” (Malcolm Gladwell, “The Cellular Church,” 9/12/05)
Leonard Sweet should know considering his beliefs and connections. Let’s consider the words of, yet again, Alice Bailey
“How will this revelation come? We enter here into the realm of foretelling and of prevision… But “where there is no vision, the people perish,”and so much has happened during the last two hundred years, and so much has already been revealed, that we are provided with a firm basis for all our forward looking.” pg 57 Esoteric Psychology Volume 1 by Alice Bailey.
If I did not know who wrote this, I may have been inclined to think it was a Christian.
Understand foretelling is prophesying and at that forward looking.
Prevision is not provision. This is about seeing things before they happen. Previsioning something is not unlike Rick Warren’s concept of VISION. SELAH.
Another thing I saw when I was in the Pentecostal Church just prior to leaving was a visit from the School of the Prophets teaching on How to Prophecy.
One of the teachings is “Generalise, don’t get too specific.”
One of the first laws of successful lying. Give yourself wriggle room like the old stereotypical gypsy woman telling your fortune.
Besides how hypocritical on one hand “prophesying his way forward” and yet telling his readers they are not fit for the kingdom if they investigate prophesy in the Bible as already previously mentioned.
Again if we look at one of Rick Warrens key pillars relating to “Purpose”, his use of
“i[na”, “hina”, “so that”, it becomes a matter of first things first, second things second and last things last.
As I stated previously you do not change a believer, the Holy Spirit through the word changes a believer. And how is this achieved. Through Doctrine, reproof, correction, righteousness.
Alister Crowley “the wickedest man in the world” stated
“When ever possible, do all things backwards.”
This is a key principle in Satanism.
As I have repeated throughout this letter Rick Warren is putting the cart before the horse.
Back in the Early 1990’s I did a film writing course where we learnt one of the key methods was writing the script backwards. Start from the end and work towards the beginning.
Then you can plan the twists, turns and climax, and achieve the Machiavellian hold on your audiences emotions.
It is knowing the end from the beginning that such a method could enable Rick Warren to be “Prophesying his way forward” because his ~m;z zamam “vision” enables him to know how to fulfil it. He is writing his own script, which is another New Age concept expressed by Shirley McLaine.
You may think this is conjecture.
I take Rick Warren’s advisor Peter Drucker to provide the lesson here
“The most important thing in communication is to hear what isn’t being said.”
I have only provided a round peg that fits the round hole.
Yet scripture states in Isaiah 46:9-10
“Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:”
Placing the cart before the horse is going to take many people into perdition and destruction. We need to be careful we are not usurping God in providing Vision!
Rick Warren specifically said himself on his website
“As your vision for your church becomes more specific, you’ll find that it is magnetic – it will pull you toward it and pull other people toward it too.” Rick Warren’s Ministry Tool box, June 23.2010. http://www.pastors.com/blogs/ministrytoolbox/archive/2010/06/23/make-your-vision-clear-and-specific.aspx
“Magnetic”? This is called the law of attraction. As you think about something you draw those like thoughts and like people to you. This is the power of positive thinking and visualisation, and is kissing cousins to “Name it and Claim” philosophy. It is also Eastern Philosophy and witchcraft.
Alice Bailey said in Esoteric Psychology Volume 1
“These proceed under the law of attractive magnetic love towards the evolutionary accomplishment of a purpose at present inscrutable.” pg 27
Can you find in scripture where this is validated?
From this same document he then quotes the Message
”If people can’t see what God is doing, they stumble all over themselves; But when they attend to what he reveals, they are most blessed.”
(Proverbs 29:18 MSG)
The KJV states
“Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.”
The latter portion places the former portion into relationship.
Vision in this is related to the law which was the revelation (vision) of God. They are intimately linked together and to 2 Peter 1:19 – 2:2
“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
Is Rick Warrens Prophesying more “sure” than the word of prophecy in the Word of God? Is he a holy man of God or a false prophet?
Instead of spending 20 years learning business management and market analysis, statistics and demographics he should have focused on studying scripture. On the other hand listening to him it is clear he most certainly has which is very sad.
Instead he states in his Ministry Tool Box
“When Habakkuk became depressed … God had this to say: “These things I plan won’t happen right away. Slowly, steadily, surely, the time approaches when the vision will be fulfilled. If it seems slow, do not despair, for these things will surely come to pass. Just be patient!”
Surely Mr Warren is not so ignorant of what Vision being spoken of here.
This is the Daniel 9 vision which was fulfilled by Jesus Christ. The vision of the coming messiah. Surely he is not applying this to his idea of vision now?
What other vision, gospel, prophecy are we to speak except which Paul told us in 1 Corinthians 2:2
“I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.”
He is the fulfilment of Vision, Prophecy, God’s Word.
Everything prior to Christ points to Him and everything after points back to Him.
Charles H Spurgeon set a perfect example how to preach. Every sermon came back to Christ Crucified. Yet it is quite the sad but almost humorous reality to see Rick Warren in his Purpose Driven Church name drop Spurgeon into his spiritual lineage through an ancestor who was saved under Spurgeon’s ministry.
Rick Warren obtained this scripture from Habakkuk 2:2-4 which reads in full
“And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry. Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.”
Surely the obvious application of this is seen in the fact “the just shall live by his faith.” a statement quoted in Romans, Galatians and Hebrews and is the classic historical statement of Martin Luther.
The word vision here is !Azx’ chazown, and I previously explained the meaning of vision. Habakkuk could not have had a vision that was of God unless it continued on the declaration of “vision” that preceded his. “precept on precept”.
His vision was based upon continuance of truth not in spite of it or as some may muse, “the bible doesn’t speak about these matters in these times we are in so I better help God out. He’ll bless me cause I’m a child of God…” Yes and a disobedient one at that!
Expect a beating, and if you don’t get one your no child of His!
Yet contrary to “the just living by faith”, like Satan telling Jesus through Peter that he didn’t need to go to Jerusalem and die, Rick Warren calls us to become
“World Class Christians” Purpose Driven Life pg 297.
I would like to know who’s writing his scripts? Clearly this world spirit operating behind him and the coming world order is quite clearly his mentor.
We are not called to be “World Class” but rather “not of this world” though “in it”.
“World Class” falls short of God’s Glory.
A world class Christian is a Christian who is loved by the world and loves the things of the world.
It would appear we are called rather to be “not of this world” Class Christians.
Why does Rick Warren constantly contradict scripture? Contradict being the word deny.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
He is antichrist, that contradicts the Father and the Son!
The words of Jesus here are paramount
“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20
The Pharisees were “World Class”, do we wish to be spoken of like this?
At least Rick Warren was consistent in making World Class Christians by seeking to fill his church by meeting the “felt needs” of the community.
It is not by chance that we are entering a period of needs based social justice which is to be adopted globally on all persons not as a matter of grace from God through us towards men, but law from man on men.
This is to become the socially applied concept to Government, world leadership and citizen responsibility.
Their “gospel” enforced without The Lord Jesus Christ.
Every commandment will be upheld in this World Order except the First and if you cannot do the first then you cannot do any of them at all.
We are told there is no law against love, but there will be one enforcing it (redefined).
Enforced charity, enforced sharing, enforced caring, enforced sacrifice, and so on. All defined by their legal team in the latest law dictionary.
Yet not taken in consideration with scripture
“Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice” 1 Samuel 15:22
The foundations of this new social justice derives from Roman Catholic Theologian St Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Theologica.
As Thomas Huxley called it “Catholicism without Christianity.”
What is Catholicism without Christianity? Paganism!
Human beings won’t become better because of this, instead this will be man’s attempt to cover their sin.
A man needs to be taken to task by God himself and see what he really is before any hope of change can commence. The desire must come from within not without.
In regards to sacrifice what should be of interest along side of elimination of most of this planets “christs”, what should be more obvious than Revelations 20:4
“ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
“Beheaded for the witness” is interesting in the light of the Japanese Samuri and their concept of honour. Equally In Islam it is the beheading of Christians and Jews. In the French Revolution (Liberty, Fraternity, Equality) it was beheading, and finally remembering “The Aquarian Conspiracy” and “Homo Noeticus” which has established something called “Noahide Law” which the US is or has adopted in part by George W Bush. Which states that the punishment for religious issues is “beheading”. See the Talmud’s Mishnah-Tractate Sanhedrin which also endorses beheading for religious crime.
Makes more sense of Alice Baileys claim the church would be like a “John the Baptist” who also lost his head.
This legislated form of enforced “sanctification” and “retribution” has attached to it the New Age concept of “self-sacrifice”. You need to read the literature concerning this because this involves a global initiation into Luciferic culture, (one which everyday media immerses us in, if you watch TV you have seen it) and the “crucifixion” of billions of this planets “christs” for global redemption of the species, and makes sense of the depopulation program set in place by the UN and the wealthy philanthropic elites.
Remember in Matthew 26, the disciples were critical about the Alabaster Box of oil poured over Jesus’ head as something “wasted” and could have gone to the poor.
Jesus made it clear
“For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.“
Could you imagine the headlines today on the front page about how wicked Jesus was for wasting that valuable oil when it could have helped the poor.
Jesus was not a socialist.
Things are not always as they appear. Good works do not always constitute righteousness but rather self righteousness as per Matthew 7:20-23
“Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
So clearly good works are not the fruit Jesus is speaking about.
The fruit He is speaking about what Matthew 3:8 speaks of:
“Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:”
The fruits of repentance, the repentance Rick Warren says must be renamed “Paradigm Shift.”!!
Rick Warren continues:
“Not just do we need to show dignity and respect to each other, treat each other with love, treat each other with respect, you can disagree without being disagreeable, you can walk hand in hand without seeing eye to eye, you can have unity in America without uniformity.”
If Mr Warren loved the Muslim people and truly believed in “treating each other with love” he would tell them Jesus is the Son of God and endeavour to preach Christ crucified (for Islam believes Jesus was taken down and revived and is NOT the Son of God.)
What did the World group of servers state similar to Mr Warrens statement?
“Steadily and regularly, the public must be taught an internationalism and world unity which based on simple goodwill and cooperative interdependence.” Problems of Humanity pg 177
May I scripturally expose what he is speaking about here.
Consider Proverbs 11:20-21
“They that are of a froward heart are an abomination to the LORD: but such as are upright in their way are his delight. Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.”
Joining hand in hand is symbolic of the spirit that is operating behind Rick Warren here and what he is proposing and God condemns it.
Hand in hand is symbolic of an ancient pagan goddess called “Fides”.
This was one of the foundation stones of the French Revolution. Fidelity.
Understand the connection with Rick Warren and the United Nations and the Council of Foreign Relations is not merely a passing interest. He parrots the doctrines and directives of these groups consider the UNESCO’s Declaration on religion
“… we call upon the different religions and cultural traditions to join hands… and co-operate with us” UNESCO’s Declaration on Religion.
Rick Warren is co-operating with the UN and he is encouraging the ignorant masses to do likewise without declaring where he obtains his directives.
Do not discount this, catch phrases and terms have esoteric and exoteric meaning. The spirit of the times is exposed by scripture in every generation.
Rick Warren continues:
“…people of all faiths are free to engage in what they do best, sharing their faiths, sharing their ideas, where it depends on persuasion, not coercion, with each other.”
Notice the Ugandan Churches accuse Warren of “Coercion” in their letter to him.
Mean what you say but don’t say what you mean.
“…there is a third thing that we need to do together and I think we can do these, hand in hand, and that is promoting peace,”
Notice again he drops the key phrase “hand in hand” and again what does scripture say about “peace, peace when there is no peace.” Jeremiah 6:13-16 which says
“For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? Nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.”
Could it be that Rick Warren is so convinced he is doing right that he would be incapable of blushing? That is even a more fearful prospect if that is speaking about us.
And again is there Purpose behind emphasising not looking for the coming of the Lord?
“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3
Whilst Rick Warren is proclaiming peace to the Muslims lets examine what old plans are still outstanding from the 1800’s.
Referring to Albert Pike, 33rd Degree Mason, American Civil War General and author of Masonic books Morals and Dogma, (I say books because there are two verisons – esoteric and exoteric.) he write this in a Letter to Italian Illuminati head Mazzini
“The third world war must be formented by taking advantages of the differences caused by the agentur of the Illuminati between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Islamic World. The War must be conducted in such a way that Islam (The Moslem Arabic World) and Political Zionism (The State of Israel) Mutually destroy each other.”
This makes sense of what is happening in North Africa and the Middle East with the “Popular” uprisings, which is preparations of the surrounding nations to formulate into the new and restored Caliphate. The Caliphate was broken up in 1922 and plans are afoot for it’s restoration. Such a restoration from intelligence sources is to be established around 2013 – 2016 (sixth phase) and the Islamic War around 2020 (seventh phase). Interestingly the first phase 2000 – 2003 was called “The Awakening”.
Adds a whole new dimension to the phrase 20/20 vision.
Rick Warren then discusses 5 problems with the world termed as “Global Giants”.
“Number 1 is the problem of Conflict… The second big problem that is all around the world is corruption… The third biggest problem on the planet is poverty… The fourth big problem is disease… the 5th biggest problem is Illiteracy.”
Yet the website Peaceplan.com alters this to
“The Giant of Spiritual Emptiness”, “The Giant of Self-Serving Leadership”, “The Giant of Poverty”, The Giant of Disease”, “The Giant of Illiteracy” www.peaceplan.com/aboutus
Why did he tell the Muslims at the Islam Conference “Conflict” and “Corruption” as the first 2 giants when on his website it says “Spiritual Emptiness” and “Self-serving leadership”. Again we see clearly a double tongue.
Pretending this is not the case for the time being he is addressing 5 very big problems. Commendable, but as a Pastor he should know better knowing what is the number 1 problem.
The lusts of the flesh, lusts of the eyes and the pride of life. Mankind’s very nature causes all those problems which can only be resolved by the “fruits of repentance”.
Instead he sounds more like a Mason
“Masonry represents the Good Principle and constantly wars against the evil one. It is the Hercules, the Osiris, the Apollo, the Mithras, and the Ormuzd, at everlasting and deadly feud with the demons of ignorance, brutality, baseness, falsehood, slavishness of soul, intolerance, superstition, tyranny, meanness, the insolence of wealth, and bigotry.” Morals and Dogma Section XIV. GRAND ELECT, PERFECT, AND SUBLIME MASON by Albert Pike
Everything in our society is broken up into these small elements of conflict. Whilst humanists solve the problems of the world, we believe and follow Him who overcame the world, even death and hell. Do not get distracted by single issues that is an arena of entrapment.
Rick Warren would make a lousy doctor, treating mere symptoms rather than dealing with prevention from the outset. In this regard he cannot be considered a Pastor. Instead he takes upon himself political endeavours.
And though he is doing a supposed “good work” there is a backlash because he qualifies this help.
“Five years ago I began working with our network of congregations around the world on what we call the PEACE Plan. That is promoting reconciliation, equip servant leaders, assist the poor, care for the sick and educate the next generation… I want to close with this story to show you how it is possible for Muslims and Christians to work together, for the greater good or the common good around us, without compromising my convictions or your convictions.”
(Since writing this in 2011 I have come to discover that the term “Reconciliation” is a term used in the office of Inquisition for the confiscation of property and punishment as a means to “reconcil” the lost soul back to the Roman church.)
First point, as per the last quote from Morals and Dogma notice reconciliation. That is of course with the world not between God and man.
Secondly the definition to P is his new version of the Acronym.
In his “Old” PEACE Plan, P stood for “Planting Churches” now it stands for “Promote Reconciliation”.
Slowly and gradually change the meanings.
Thirdly what Rick Warren is saying is that the worlds problems can be solved without Jesus Christ. How else are the Muslims going to solve problems without compromising their convictions. Certainly they will not be doing it through the power of the redeeming Saviour Jesus Christ the Son of God, who humbles a man at the foot of His cross. Who brings nothing in his hand to provide for his salvation, and having repented and relieved of such burdensome sin and separation from God now goes on in joy, desiring nothing more than to please his Lord and Saviour in his thoughts, words and deeds desiring to do good works, not forced by law or pursuing entry to heaven by good works.
We may do well to heed Romans 10:2-3
“ … they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.”
This is the truth of the matter in it’s simplest form whilst also being aware of the fact that good works do not constitute being of God as explained in Titus 1:16
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.”
Not everyone is a hand, not everyone is a foot, some parts are more “comely” and “delicate” than others. I have listened to some of Rick Warren’s sermons which questions peoples Christianity because they are not feeding the hungry or clothing the naked, but this disregards that not everyone has the capacity to do that. You find what you can do where you are. I do not have to support his PEACE Plan to be a Christian.
In fact I do not support it because I am.
Can we do good works hand in hand with Muslims?
What does the Koran teach and what does scripture teach?
The Koran says in Sura 4:171
“O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers. You shall not say, “Trinity.” You shall refrain from this for your own good. GOD is only one god. Be He glorified; He is much too glorious to have a son. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. GOD suffices as Lord and Master. “
But the Word of God says in 1 John 2:21-23,
“I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”
So how can we work together if we call them “liars”?
H G Wells even speaks of the same PEACE Plan as Warren on pg 106
“..it will certainly be with the new world order, if ever it is attained. A growing miscellany of people are saying – it is getting about – that “World Pax is possible”,…” H.G.Wells New World Order pg 106
It seems everybody is on board with this Plan.
“Mary, the Mother, unquestioningly has global appeal. She is alluring not only to Catholics, but represents a syncrestistic goddess who is able to unite all faiths, for her motherhood stirs the deepest yearings of the human spirit… Indeed when a “Pilgrim Virgin”, a statue of Our Lady of Fatima, toured Africa and Asia, millions flocked to venerate the statue and learn of Our Lady’s “Peace Plan from Heaven.” Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs were particularly enthusiastic.” pg 55
All Roads Lead to Rome by Michael De Semlyen from National Research Institute – Trumpet, November/December 1990.
This is all part of the healing of the wound of Revelation 13.
Makes one think of John Lennon’s “… all we are saying is give peace a chance.”
Whilst it is spoken of regarding world peace, it should not escape us that such a turn of phrase is not the meaning of Jesus’ words in the beatitudes.
“Blessed are the peace makers.” or as some modern translations render it “Happy are the Peacemakers.”
Happy has nothing to do with it, and neither does world peace.
The peace being spoken of is peace between God and man. It is through that peace that peace can then be extended man to man.
Unlike Paul Tillich who says
“Sin is estrangement man from man.” Dialectical Humanism
Blessed is a state of being that is not obtained by your doing nor deserved by you.
It is like the blessings being shouted from Mt Gerizim and all the curses being shouted from Mt Ebal.
With us standing on Mt Ebal and Jesus standing on Mt Gerizim and a sudden translation taking place where you are about to have the curses poured upon you but rather come upon the innocent one and you receive the innocent ones blessings.
So “World Pax” is peace towards man from man. Not peace with God.
This is how the heathen rage against the Lord and His Christ establishing their own righteousness.
So how can we work with Muslims as Christians. Could the motivation of the Muslim or anyone for that matter be of equal importance and drive for righteousness as one who has been convicted of their sin and cursed nature before God, having then found forgiveness through the only means of forgiveness Jesus Christ, now blessed because He was cursed on a tree for our sin.
They have not got the Holy Spirit to start with since they blaspheme Him by saying Muhammed was the one Jesus said would come to us when he departed. The Comforter, paraclete.
So if we have no peace with God how is it that Rick Warren can spout such lies like:
“We have been made for Gods Pleasure.” Purpose Driven Life pg 63
The more I examine Rick Warren the more I seem to see the teaching of Benny Hinn reworked for example
“God was seemingly begging for Benny Hinn to keep chatting with him saying “five more minutes. Just five more minutes.’ The Holy Spirit longed for my fellowship.” Christianity in Crisis by Hank Hanagraaff except from Good Morning Holy Spirit pg 56.
Yet does not the Westminster Confession of Faith state
Question 1: What is the chief and highest end of man?Answer: Man’s chief and highest end is to glorify God, and fully to enjoy him forever.
Should not God be a pleasure to us? Should we not be wanting “5 more minutes with God”?
Everything has been turned on it’s head. The gospel that is God centred has now become man centred. I keep repeating this fact.
We have been made primarily to find pleasure in God not visa versa, contrary to Rick Warrens man centred gospel, again stated at TED 2006 Conference (I have video: note this is the conference Bill Gates spoke at in 2010. This is not a Christian Conference, he is not speaking to Christians)
“God’s smiles when you be you… God gets pleasure watching you be you… and when you do what He made you to do He goes ‘That’s My boy, that’s My girl, for using the ability and talent that I gave you’.”
Just don’t use your talent for ploughing fields:
“An high look, and a proud heart, and the ploughing of the wicked, is sin.”Proverbs 21:4
He is simply lying to his audience and worse.
“Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them;…” Malachi 2:17
Rick Warren speaking to non Christians tells them God delights in them. He has just done as Malachi warns. Does this not tell us of what spirit Rick Warren is of?
We need to take a more serious look at the nature of sin than we do if such an innocuous activity such as ploughing is considered sin by God. So what about our talents. I can tell you much about mine and how only now I can see that if I pursued them I would have been doing the will of Satan.
God does not want to see us be us. Aren’t we supposed to “die to self”? God wants to see Christ formed in us!
So what possible justification can Rick Warren have for encouraging Christians to disobey scripture which tells us not to be unequally yoked together? Believer and unbeliever, Christian and Muslim, Christian and Apostate Christian?
In short what is taking place is what is termed the Hegellian dialectic where we have a posed thesis plus an antithesis resulting in a synthesis.
Peter Drucker encourages such ideas
“… open discussion uncovers what the objections [antithesis] are. With genuine participation, a decision doesn’t need to be sold. Suggestions can be incorporated, objections addressed [or ignored], and decision itself [consensus] becomes a commitment to action.” Dr Peter F Drucker quoted from video”The Purpose Driven Heresy of Rick Warren
It then is necessary to cause dissent in churches else there can be no catalyst for change or “innovation”.
By doing this you generate a need for consensus and in turn “mind change”.
Thus by making a church “seeker sensitive” you mix Christians with unbelievers and generate a need to a workable outcome which results in compromise aka a weakening of the faith.
For example Willow Creek church put out a book called “Building a Church of small groups” in it saying
“Allow the group to live in tension of unresolved conflict” pg 96
and
“The point of navigating conflict… is to restore relationships we value. We want to reach consensus and move forward. Sometimes that may mean agreeing to disagree or deciding to overlook an offence for the sake of the relationship.” pg 98
Alice Bailey says the same
“…unity becomes possible and the point of balance—through the attainment of a point of tension…” pg 139
Rays and Initiations a Treatise on the Seven Rays Vol 5
This has already occurred positioning Roman Catholicism through the Vatican II Conciliar Documents and Protestantism creating the Ecumenical Movement. This via a number of methods including “social action” or “good works” as a means to throw thesis and antithesis together to effect change “compromise”.
Now serious work is being done on the front of religious syncretism. Melding and blending diverse faiths together into a Global Religion using these same methods.
For example: Christendom plus Islam is resulting in Chrislam, of which such churches have already started springing up.
This though should not be surprising with statements like this from Rick Warren:
“You may be Catholic or Protestant or Buddhist or Baptist or Muslim or Mormon or Jewish or Jain, or you have no religion at all. I’m not interested in your religious background. Because God did not create the universe for us to have religion. He came for us to have a relationship with him.” United Nations, Interfaith Prayer Breakfast, September 2005
“I have known many people who believe in the Messiah of Jesus, regardless of what religion they are, because they believe in him. It’s about a relationship, not a religion” Interview with Larry King Live, Aired December 2, 2005
Firstly consider the term relationship and see how this plays out as New Age terminology. An example is found throughout The Aquarian Conspiracy. One example:
“Matter has only “a tendency to exist.” There are no things, only connections. Only relationships.” pg 171
No things? This is describing the concept of Maya in Hinduism ie: all is illusion. So what is relationship meaning in Rick Warrens Universe?
Relationship is very important to the New Age. If you can create ties between people in groups “community”, then you create the cruellest, most difficult ties to break if desiring to stand for truth. A truth I personally understand.
Secondly “Messiah of Jesus” is very different to Jesus the Messiah. Messiah of Jesus would mean the anointed of Jesus.
I am amazed how far the church has fallen from discernment. I mean what about the following from Rick Warren
“The church is bigger than any government in the world. Then you add in Muslims, you add in Hindus, you add in all the different religions, and you use those houses of worship as distribution centers, not just for spiritual care but health care. What could be done?…” TIME Global Health Summit, The Case for Optimism, November 1, 2005
Notice this was stated at a Global Health Summit. Notice that Warren’s Purpose and Health are going hand in hand, not for the gospel, but for supposed good works.
Again from The Aquarian Conspiracy
“’You can’t deliver holistic health,” one practitioner said. It originates in an attitude: an acceptance of life’s uncertainties,… a sense of purpose.” pg 248
He isn’t about the gospel being spread. He’s just concerned with doing “good works” even if it means leaving Jesus Christ out of it.
There are also similarities of Billy Graham and Rick Warren as the former stated in January 1987 of McCall Magazine
“I used to believe that pagans in far-off countries were lost, were going to hell. I no longer believe that. I believe that there are other ways of recognising the existence of God, through nature for instance.”
Sorry Billy, have you not read Romans 1:22-25
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.”
Is that the sort of nature he means? Maybe he means trees. Like the grove Israel kept disobeying God and worshipping. The tree is the symbol of the female goddess.
Let’s examine what it means to understand God through nature
“…the power of nature, which was worshipped under the name of Ashtoreth… the original form under which Ashtoreth was worshipped was the moon; and that the transition from that to the planet Venus (which we will immediately notice) was unquestionably an innovation of a later date. It is evident that the moon alone can be properly called the queen of heaven;” pg 271 Cyclopedia of Theological, Biblical and Ecclesiastical Literature by by James Strong & John McClintock.
Ashtoreth is considered by different names thus these are some of the Ashteroth
“ Ashtoreth was probably confounded with Juno, because she is the female counterpart to Baal, the chief god of the Syrians-their Jupiter, as it were; and with Venus, because the same lascivious rites were common to her worship and to that of Ashtoreth and her cognate Mylitta (Creuzer, Symbolik, ii, 23). But so great is the intermixture and confusion between the gods of pagan religions, that Munter further identifies Ashtoreth-due allowance being made for difference of time and place-with the female Kaliar, Axiokersa, with the Egyptian Isis, with the Paphian Venus, with the Taurian and Ephesian Diana. with the Bellona of Comana, with the Armenian Andhid, and with the Samian, Maltesian, and Lacinian Juno. She has also been considered to be the same as the Syrian fish-deity, the Atergatis of 2 Macc. 12:26, whose temple appears, from 1 Mace. v, 43, to have been situated at Ashteroth-Kamain.” pg 270 – 271 Cyclopedia of Theological, Biblical and Ecclesiastical Literature by by James Strong & John McClintock.
Mr Graham is showing his hand by his comments. It is not surprising that he is a Freemason and a multiple recipient of honorary degrees from Jesuit Universities.
I also have video of Billy Graham stating the same on Robert Schuller’s Hour of Power.
Recognising God in nature worship is Gaia worship. Which is what Mikhail Gorbachev does.
How different are these statements compared to Alice Bailey and her spirit guide stating
“It is here that the Church, as usually understood, meets its major challenge. Is it spiritual enough to let go of theology and … widen its horizon and recognize as truly Christian all who demonstrate the Christ spirit, whether they be Hindu, Mohammedan, or Buddhist, whether they are labeled by any name other than that of orthodox Christian?” Alice Bailey, From Bethlehem to Calvary, Chapter Seven – Our Immediate Goal, The Founding of the Kingdom.
Alice is in wonderland. “widen its horizon…” are you kidding.
proori,zw Pro’orizo is the Greek for predestinate! To be fore bounded.
This word ‘orizo is where we get our word horizon.
The church is not destined by God to go beyond what has been ordained. That is disobedience and sin. We are bounded by the light, so we are to remain in the light.
This is not all that different from what Mother Teresa states (whom Warren also quotes in his Purpose Driven Books)
If coming face to face with God we accept Him in our lives, then we are converting. We become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better whatever we are…”
(It is as though the 20th Century theologian Karl Barth had been adopted as the fundamental precept of Protestants, Evangelicals, and Fundamentalists. That everyone is saved, it’s just that some of them don’t know it yet. Here of course we see the idea of “knowing”.)
This is no different to what Richard Kirby says in his “The Mission of Mysticism”:
“The biggest change which Christianity needs to make is toward the teaching that all men must be like Christ, must become Christs in due season, and that the faith must be built on a personal relationship with the risen Christ.” pg 116
What is uncanny is that scripture teaches us to become christ-like but this isn’t what he’s saying.
I mean if it is then even Benny Hinn is right in saying
“I’m a little messiah walking on earth” 6th November 1990 TBN Praise-a-thon.
Satan loves to skirt as close to sounding true without actually having the “right stuff”.
Catholic mystic Madam Guyon (whom Rick Waren quotes) says
“Here, everything is God. God is everywhere and in all things.”
Though he doesn’t use this quote, we can see a consistent pattern in his influences and
sympathies.
Let’s try another one of Warrens recommended mystics, Henri Nouwan who in his last book said
“Today I personally believe that while Jesus came to open the door to God’s house, all human beings can walk through that door, whether they know about Jesus or not. Today I see it as my call to help everyone claim his or her own way to God” Sabbatical Journey.
It appears one of the few mystics Warren doesn’t quote is St Ignatius of Loyola founder of the Allumbrados (The Illuminated Ones) better known as the Jesuits. I guess validating the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius of Loyola would be a bit obvious even for sleeping evangelicals.
Can I suggest you examine every single person he quotes in his books like: St John of the Cross, Brother Lawrence a Carmelite Monk. John Main and Richard Foster whom Rick Warren gets the practice of “breath prayers” where a “Christian” word is repeated over and over. This of course in Hinduism is called a Mantra of which the purpose is to get the mind into an altered state of consciousness so you can have an experience.
Understand the spirit that drives this end game
“… in the new world order, spirituality will supersede theology; living experience will take the place of theological acceptances.” Externalisation of the Hierarchy by Alice Bailey pg 202 False Dawn pg 272
This is why the sermon on that Sunday rang alarm bells, I am not against experience, but if you obtain it because you pursue it then not only are you opening your self for self deception, a fleshly generation of the imagination, but you also are placing yourself in heightened expectation whereby any experience relieves your desire for an experience and then results in taking it as God, or a “touch” of God.
Read “Who’s Driving the Purpose Driven Church” by James Sunquist for more information.
It is perfectly clear as to the rules of the game being played in Churches around the country and the world. Words have come to be devoid of meaning, doctrine equally has become devoid of meaning.
When I say this I mean it is not enough today to ask a Christian what they believe. You also need to find out what they do not believe, and terms need defining.
George Orwell knew exactly where this was going also because of his involvement with secret societies stating in his book 1984
“We’re getting the language into its final shape,” Syme answered. “By the year 2050 at the very latest not a single human being will be alive who could understand the conversation we are having now.”
Read the UN’s Agenda 21 Document and you will be horrified by it’s contents, one of which is to establish a global language also by 2050.
The words and terms being bandied around always seem innocuous but speak to witches, occultists and the like and they can see perfectly what is going on. They know the words being used are occultic terms and phrases and are one out of a number of forms of communication between each “initiate”.
Just remember what Alice Bailey said about “Word’s of Power” and “listening”.
Though I disagree with what 33rd Degree Mason Albert Pike writes it is still insightful
“The Christian writers and even christ himself, recognized it as truth, that all scripture had an inner and an outer meaning” Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike pg 265
You can see how double meanings are attached to the words of scripture to initiates of the mysteries.
Pike says this regardless of Jesus who said
“For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.” John 7:4
“I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.” John 18:20
We can understand what evil men practice in secret, God tells us. Our sins find us out.
Duplicitous meaning attached to words like these:
Immanence, interconnection, community, self-sacrifice, The One, Christ, world order, Spirit, love, emergent, Peace, plan, dream, unity, prayer whispers, centring, relationship, fear, separation, New Paradigm, Born Again, Community, Emergence, Change Agent, “Old Time Religion” atonement, and so on ad infinitum. By the way the first three are the core principles of witchcraft.
These words all have a surface meaning to everyday people, whilst they have layers of other meanings to a select few.
Another is Atonement redefined as At One Ment, ie: becoming united or “at one” with God.
Not the meaning of the Hebrew or Greek!
Take another example “Born Again”.
George Bush was asked if he was a Born Again Christian and he said that he was Born Again.
Born Again is a ritual that stems from ancient Egypt where an initiate was taken into a pyramid and “killed” laid in a sarcophagus and later was born again to become Djedhi. Yes you heard right. I have video of George Lucas stating that he obtained this idea of the Jedi from ancient Egyptian religion.
George W Bush member of the Skull and Bones lodge 322 went through a ceremony that concludes as being “born again”.
So knowing that this term involves those in secret societies lets examine Rick Warren’s comments to CBN reporter David Brody
“John’s [McCain] faith is more like the faith of say a Jerry Ford. Jerry Ford was a born again believer. He just didn’t believe in talking about it. In fact when you go back over through the last seven or eight Presidents — you go through Jerry Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. What do these men have in common? Nothing. They’re all opposite except every one of the men claimed to be born again. Some of them talked about it more than the others, but some of them didn’t which shows that a person could have a born again faith and be way on the difference in politics.”
Why is it always claimed “judge not lest ye be judged” in relation to denying someone’s Christianity, whilst on the flip side it never applies in exercising caution in claiming some one is?
Double standards.
A number of these Presidents have been involved with the disgusting “Bohemian Grove”. A worship of the old fire God Moloch depicted by them as an Owl. The symbol of the Jesuits.
With the erosion of meaning, Maryln Ferguson in her book The Aquarian Conspiracy outlines the viewpoint to which this is all about.
“Those who want direct knowledge, the mystics, have always been treated more or less as heretics, whether they were the medieval mystics within Christianity, the Sufis within the borders of Islam, or the Kabbalists within Judaism. Now the heretics are gaining ground, doctrine is losing its authority, and knowing is superseding belief.” pg 371
This is ridiculous. You cannot know without teaching / doctrine.
(Do not forget this. Warrens church uses the Knowing and Sacrifice Banners in his church in a video I have.)
Again The Aquarian Conspiracy says the Paradigm Shift is
“… a new knowing.”
Rick Warren in his Purpose Driven Life states
“THE BENEFITS OF PURPOSE-DRIVEN LIVING
There are five great benefits of living a purpose-driven life: Knowing your purpose gives meaning to your life… Knowing your purpose simplifies your life… Knowing your purpose focuses your life… Knowing your purpose motivates your life… Knowing your purpose prepares you for eternity.” pg 30 – 33
Neale Donald Walsch’s spirit guide also provides insight to this “knowing”
“Atheism is a learned reaction; Deism is a natural response, an intuitive ‘knowing’, a deep-seated awareness at the cellular level.”New Revelations pg 233 Neale Donald Walsch, from False Dawn pg 338
Also notice of Rick Warren’s statement from The Purpose Driven Life
“God won’t ask about your religious background or doctrinal views.” pg 34
This is a form of ideological transhipment whereby instead of taking ones ideology, or belief or doctrine and shifting it to somewhere more preferable, the easier way is instead to leave the ideology where it is and shift the meanings of the words to where you want someone to be.
That way you sound like the real deal whilst you believe contrary to true meaning.
Much like Neo in the Matrix who learns how to bend the spoon.
Neo sees a boy bending a spoon and takes the spoon. This conversation ensues:
Boy: Do not try and bend the spoon, that’s impossible. Instead only try to realise the truth.
Neo: What truth
Boy: There is no spoon!
Neo: There is no spoon?
Boy: Then you will see it isn’t the spoon that bends but only yourself.
You cannot bend truth, your the one who has to twist and distort.
It is also like interstellar faster than light theories where instead of the spaceship moving, you move the universe instead.
Rick Warren’s catch cry in Purpose Driven Life in 2003 is also another language issue stating
“Before you were born, God planned this moment in your life. It is no accident that you are holding this book” (Prior to the Contents Page).
He makes the same claim at a July 3rd 2006 Hillsong Conference in Sydney
“And you are not at this conference at 2006 (sic) an accident”
Yet again before I explain this phrase, we have more plagiarism of Neale Donald Walsch
“… book has arrived in your life at the right and perfect time… Everything happens in perfect order, and the arrival of this book in your life is no exception.” Conversations with God Book 2 1997
I’ll let you weigh up Rick Warren’s persistent use of New Agers as his “concealed source” and the lack of referencing so Christians are unlikely to make proper discernment whilst also being dishonest not creative.
Maybe it is that right now Rick Warren is “cleansing of ideology” Neale Donald Walsch’s musings. Like that meditation course that was a “smash” cleaned of Transcendental ideology, remember?
He certainly needs to considering these samples of his writings obtained from his spirit guide.
Walsch’s spirit guide told him:
“God is Life. Therefore, God is Change. In one word, God Is Change. God is a process. Not a being, but a process. And that process is called change. Some of you might prefer the word evolution. God is the energy that evolves.” Neale Donald Walsch pg 158 Communion With God.
There’s that process again.
Yet scripture says “I change not” Malachi 3:6
Remember on a video from Saddleback Church Rick Warren says
“The purpose of the Bible is Life Change. It is not doctrine, it is not reproof, it is not correction, it is not training in righteousness, the purpose of the Bible is Life Change.” Preaching for Life Change 2001
Is this the change Rick Warren means by Paradigm Shift, has he just cleaned these ideas up and made them more palatable?
(Since 2011 when I wrote this I have also come across the fact that Karl Marx was specific about the issue of “change” stating
“The materialist doctrine that men are products of circumstances and upbringing, and that, therefore, changed men are products of changed circumstances and changed upbringing, forgets that it is men who change circumstances and that the educator must himself be educated. Hence this doctrine is bound to divide society into two parts, one of which is superior to society. The coincidence of the changing of circumstances and of human activity or self-change [Selbstveränderung] can be conceived and rationally understood only as revolutionary practice… Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is tochange it.” Karl Marx Theses on Feuerbach
That is why you hear so much about “change”. Now we are seeing where Rick Warrens loyalties lie.)
Some more quotes of interest from Neale Donald Walsch
“It is from The Emptiness that all wisdom will come and all healing will originate. It is from the void that I have come, and to the void that I will always return.” pg 149 Conversations with God for teens 2001.
“I am the Light, and I am the Darkness that creates the Light, and makes it possible. I am the Goodness Without End, and the ‘Badness’ which makes the ‘Goodness’ good. I am all these things – the All of Everything…” pg 149
There is good reason for Rick Warren to not even mention using Neale Donald Walsch’s conversations with his spirit guide. Does not scripture say in 1 John 1:5
“This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.“
So with Rick Warren not revealing his sources this itself becomes an example of “knowing” vs “doctrine”, unless you know (the inside knowledge) the doctrine remains unchanged, it’s the definitions that are moving.
This idea of receiving, what you need when you are ready is the same claim New Agers and Gurus make. It is a paraphrase of
“When the student is ready the teacher will appear.”
A classic Hindu and Wicca phrase.
The universe has brought Rick Warren into your life because you are ready to learn what he has for you.
Shirley McLaine called this scripting, where, you being god, knew what lessons you have to learn so you write your own script. You can stop this script by realising you are god and choose what happens to you, and choose when they stop. (This “truth” dawned on her as she was being mugged in New York.)
Another example relating directly to Rick Warren’s focus on “PURPOSE” comes by examining the Prayer of the Theosophical Society which is used regularly at the United Nations.
This is called “The Great Invocation” and is also known as the New Age Mantra reading:
“From the point of Light within the Mind of God Let light stream forth into the minds of men. Let Light descend on Earth. From the point of Love within the Heart of God Let love stream forth into the hearts of men. May Christ return to Earth. From the center where the Will of God is known Let purpose guide the little wills of men ―The purpose which the Masters know and serve. From the center which we call the race of men Let the Plan of Love and Light work out. And may it seal the door where evil dwells. Let Light and Love and Power restore the Plan on Earth.”
The following glossary comes from the study of Dr. Robert A. Herrmann http://www.serve.com/herrmann/bailey.htm and explores Alice Bailey’s teachings.
LIGHT = Luciferian enlightenment.GOD = Satan.
STREAM FORTH = overshadow.
LOVE = various forms of Scripturally defined evil or, generally, hatred.
CHRIST = Antichrist.
LITTLE WILLS OF MEN = the claimed unintelligent, weak and inferior desires of individuals; especially those that follow conservative Judeo-Christian doctrine.
PURPOSE = to prepare for the appearance of the Christ (Antichrist)
MASTERS = demons or demon controlled individuals.
RACE OF MEN = “humanity,” as ruled by Lucifer.
PLAN = complete world domination in preparation for and after the appearance of the Antichrist. (Understand in Theosophy Antichrist is not evil but merely the Destroyer first expression of Divinity)
I wish to add to this:
SEAL THE DOOR WHERE EVIL DWELLS = violent, if necessary, eradication of those that follow any form of the Bible, conservative Christianity, some liberal Christianity, and other similar orthodox religions.
POWER = often hideous and actual destructive forces. Aka Shambala Force.
In a video I obtained from You Tube from Saddleback Church, Rick Warren is receiving an award from Dr John Jung Hyun Ho who is a American offshoot of David Paul Yonggi Cho’s church.
These guys love to pat each other on the back and reward each other doing things for all to see. This is the only reward they shall receive.
In the background I noticed two distinct words in this video which is eye opening to the New Age terminology and the Great Invocation. The Two Words are KNOW on one banner and SERVE on another.
Secondly notice the line in this invocation “seal the door”.
Who is the door?
Jesus said “I am the door”, and to say that evil dwells there is exactly the same doctrine as H P Blavatsky regarding Jesus being the evil one.
So sealing the door would be about preventing the return of Jesus in his second coming.
It is having such awareness of the use of the subtleties of such language which of course is the very pattern of the serpent of the garden in Genesis.
Becoming acquainted with this and hearing the hiss without seeing the cause is an early warning system.
Equally just as the words we use and how we use them expose us for what we are, so too does the things we neglect to say expose our beliefs and intents.
Also the very actions of individuals and associations one has also adds weight to the picture that forms regarding ones influences and beliefs.
Another example is the doctrinal statement of Saddleback
”God is bigger and better and closer than we can imagine. The Bible is God’s perfect guidebook for living. Jesus is God showing himself to us. Through His Holy Spirit, God lives in and through us now. Nothing in creation “just happened.” God made it all. Grace is the only way to have a relationship with God. Faith is the only way to grow in our relationship with God. God has allowed evil to provide us with a choice, God can bring good even out
of evil events and God promises victory over evil to those who choose him. Heaven and hell are real places. Death is a beginning, not the end. The church is to serve people like Jesus served people.. Jesus is coming again.”
God is Bigger, Better, Closer? Almost the six million dollar man. We can make him bigger, faster, stronger.
The Bible: a mere guidebook. Of course since Warren claims in Purpose Driven Life
“No matter how wonderful a translation, it has limitations.” pg 325.
If this is so how can we know God if as Rick Warren says
“It is impossible to be God’s friend apart from knowing what he says. You can’t love God unless you know him, and you can’t know him without knowing his Word. The Bible says God “revealed himself to Samuel through his word.” God still uses that method today.”
So I am limited in knowing God right? I know God through His word which is limited thus I am limited. That’s Rick Warren’s logic.
Jesus is God showing Himself? How incredibly shallow. Peek a Boo.
God lives in “us”. Who is “us”. Only believers not just anyone, but we’ve seen examples replete where Rick Warren speaks as though everyone is a believer.
The church is to serve people. No the Church ministers to the Saints, not just everyone who wants to suck the life out of it. There is the need for wisdom.
Notice the whole serving thing again. World group of servers etc.
This is so dumbed down that it is pointless even addressing it accept for one concerning anomaly.
Death is a beginning … this is Alice Bailey who said
“Death is the Great Adventure.“
Rick Warren in PDL also make a similar assertion
“The greatest tragedy is not death, but life without purpose. “ pg 30
Remember these books are promoted for non Christians as much as Christians. In fact it has been used by the NBA, US Air Force and so on. Is it right that we tell non Christians there is no tragedy in death. For them dying without Christ is a tragedy!
One of the greatest factors in the corruption of today’s church and the church over the last 150 years has been the inception and gravitation towards the cult of Christian Celebrity and certainly enables “the process” greater access to our minds at a faster pace.
Such “celebrities” today in Christendom are high level Secret Society Initiates, even occultists, some having their books written by Ghost Writers (writers who by the way make no profession to Christianity even opposing the same) and such “celebrities” having their name put to the book as their own work.
Can I please encourage you to examine the relationships Rick Warren has with a very large number of New Age individuals. (Next time you are in a “Christian” bookshop ask yourself this question, ‘who are these people and what are they really teaching’.
I would not cry if 99% of the books on Christian bookshelves today were burnt, for they are worthless.)
Many years ago I was sent to a management seminar by a previous employer.
This seminar included New Age terms, teachings, Word Faith teaching, Psychology which links with New Age Teaching.
After looking into this. I discovered one of the targets the New Age was targeting was business education. This was back in 1990.
Due to the demand from Pragmatic outcome based church management, these same teachings are walking in through the front door as a science. Brought in by Pastors who sat under teaching at conferences, reading popular books and filtering it down without checking their sources. Put simply… ignorant reading.
Peter Drucker for example mentored Rick Warren giving him direction for growing Saddleback church by Warren’s own admission
“Peter Drucker…he’s my mentor. I’ve spent 20 years under his tutelage learning about leadership from him.” May 23rd 2005 Pew and Religion Forum.
Mason and a management guru, some interesting background can be found regarding Peter Drucker’s influences and spiritual persuasion.
“Drucker felt a strong bond…with a panentheist/ mystic named Martin Buber (1878-1965), who embraced the teachings of Hasidism (Jewish mysticism).” Bob Buford, Peter Drucker, and the Emerging Church by Roger Oakland.
And who is Martin Buber from the horses mouth!
“Since 1900 I had first been under the influence of German mysticism from Meister Eckhart [a mystic] … then I had been under the influence of the later Kabalah [Jewish mysticism] and of Hasidism.” Between Man and Man by Martin Buber.
Peter Drucker posed the world be divided into 3 sectors. His ideas based on GST (General Systems Theory).
“GST is an esoteric belief system based on a merger of Darwinism and eastern mysticism—much like what one would now term “New Age”. GST contends that man is moving to the next level of evolution, but in order to reach this plateau, mankind must be ascribe to a common, universal consciousness, or belief system (“old beliefs” must transition to “new beliefs”). Drucker confirmed his adherence to this concept by the development of the “3-legged stool” model. The legs are representative of the corporate system, the state, and the “private sector”. The top of the stool signifies the reaching of that which he terms as “community” or consensus of these three separate sectors (or subsystems) of society. Drucker has spent the last half of his life concentrating on this “private sector” (churches and non-profits) because this segment offers the platform for the dialectical consensus to unite all of humanity to bring about the “jump phenomenon” to the next level of “societal evolution”. According to the GST and the Gaia Hypothesis, the “old system” must break down in order for the “new system” to break through.” OUTCOME-BASED RELIGION: PURPOSE-DRIVEN APOSTASY By Mac Dominick Chapter 13 LIVING IN THE TIME OF THE PARADIGM SHIFT.
So there we have a number of strings pulling together. Notice the idea of man evolving to a higher level (homo noeticus). That “The Zhabotinskii reaction” and “The theory of dissipative structures” here is seen as the “jump phenomenon”.
Also note that the churches catch cry for the last 20 years “we’re gonna have a breakthrough” takes on a whole new meaning.
Do you feel like you have been played for a fool. Feel like a chump. We all should, the wool has been pulled over our eyes for way too long!
This model called Total Quality Management TQM, is made up of Public, Private and Social, aka: Government, Business, and Civil inc Churches.
“As government cuts back social spending, many people expect the social sector to absorb much of the anticipated need for services…. We are now talking about a true partnership to build community and produce people who are needed by healthy businesses and a healthy society.” Emerging partnerships: New Ways in a New World. Peter Drucker’s Leader to Leader Website.
So it is clear “church” is seen as being part of the system of human government and activity.
Is this a position the REMOVED Church wishes to adopt?
Notice Drucker’s Leader to Leader used to be called The Leadership Network.
“The Mission of the Leadership Network is to ‘Accelerate the emergence of the 21st-century church,’ and that the (emerging) ‘paradigm (of the 21st century church) is not centered in theology, but rather it is focused on structure, organization, and the transition from an institutionally based church to a mission-driven church.’”
Remember that is exactly what Alice Bailey said about the church “Is it spiritual enough to let go of theology”.
It has been noted that Goldman Sachs Philanthropy Fund helps fund The Leadership Network.
Remember Abatte Leone showing us philanthropy was a tool to be used for the plan as did H P Blavatsky.
H G Wells’ sentiments echo that of Drucker and Warren,
“Religion may suffer from aphasia and still be religion; it may utter misleading or nonsensical words and yet intend and convey the truth. The methods of the Salvation Army are older than doctrinal Christianity, and may long survive it. Men and women may still chant of Beulah Land and cry out in the ecstasy of salvation; the tambourine, that modern revival of the thrilling Alexandrine sistrum, may still stir dull nerves to a first apprehension of powers and a call beyond the immediate material compulsion of life, when the creeds of Christianity are as dead as the lore of the Druids.” pg 46 God The Invisible King by H. G. Wells
H G Wells may well find that he creeds of Christianity will be dead if the desires of Christians are anti creed and anti belief. Merely pragmatists.
Rick Warrens prayer makes this perfectly clear at Hillsongs 2006 Conference praying
“Lord we pray for a second reformation of the church. One that will be about deeds not creeds, that’s about behaviour not belief. Father for so long the body of Christ has had the hands and the legs amputated, we’ve been just a big mouth.”
I seriously think Mr Warren comes from a different planet and knows nothing about our history. To say the body of Christ has been “just a big mouth”. Well we are seeing is a direct attack on facts. This is Historical revisionism of Christian History in this very statement.
One would think that the reformers sat around writing out creeds and arguing all day over them.
Instead what about the great evangelistic work performed?
They took the gospel around the world and also provided education, fed the hungry, clothed the naked, healed the sick. Some big mouth! These were the hands and legs of the reformation!
Instead it seems Warrens predecessors amputated our arms and legs over the last 150 years so that someone like Rick Warren can ride in and provide prosthetic limbs.
Peter Drucker himself was despondent about churches that were not under his TQM considered them as “still many unhealthy churches”.
See if your not as they are, you no good. They are fundamentalists too.
New Age Fundamentalists.
Thus a “healthy church” is one adopting his TQM model. Thus it becomes apparent that Drucker working with Warren would provide opportunity to establish “healthy churches”. This links up with the UN’s World Health Organisations “Healthy People”, “Healthy Families”, “Healthy Communities”, Healthy Cities” and greater interference in the concept of “Mental Health”.
Do you think it is not paramount to fully understand what this TQM entails then?
It is clear that the “work” Rick Warren has implemented is Peter Drucker’s 3 legged stool model thinly disguised.
“PEACE will eventually become a global network of churches, with millions of Christians, business and commerce entities, and government and charitable organizations intertwining like a three-stranded rope.” http://www.peaceplan.com/aboutus connected
It is clear why a 3 strand model has been chosen over the 4 strand model because in due season the scriptural validation can be found for the 3 strand in Ecclesiastes 4:12
“… a threefold cord is not quickly broken.”
and thus justification for any action with biblical validation can be spoon fed to the ignorant. Just like “Purpose”.
End of debate.
Big Business and Money (mammon) is a huge factor what drives much of today’s church, so it is no surprise when churches are run to meet the “felt needs” of spiritual consumers. That is why such experts on business at meeting the needs of the customer are consulted and followed.
This is all entrapment. Keep following the bread crumbs and you will find the trap will spring on you and your congregation when you suddenly realise you want out.
Instead of the church becoming more entangled in the world system it should be seeking to become less and less entangled because of what is coming.
Peter Drucker was instrumental in reinventing numerous Corporations, so hearing Rick Warren actively deceive us in his books saying
“To discover your purpose in life you must turn to Gods Word, not the World’s wisdom… you must build your life on eternal truths, not pop-psychology; success motivation, or inspirational stories.” pg 20
This smacks of utter hypocrisy.
Warren has established his successful experiment now known as Saddleback and popularised in his Purpose Driven books through the world’s wisdom, his books are also littered with pop-psychology, success motivation and inspirational stories.
In fact this is another psychological disarming device, to place the reader or hearer into a “YES SET”.
We see it with simple childhood games where you ask questions which give a rhyming answer and eventually the wrong answer rhymes with the other answers. The wrong answer automatically falls from the mouth of the participant, no matter how elementary the answer is.
I have seen it from Christian preachers, Muslim preachers, and Politicians over and over
again.
If you plan to do something, teach something, something contrary to what your hearers will accept, tell them you do not believe that something, you stand against that something, you will not allow that something,even explain why it is wrong.
Once secured and confident in their speaker, proceed to tell them the opposite.
Most people never notice.
Warren recently visited Yonggi Cho, in Soul Korea, a huge cell church movement which I became very familiar with in my younger years. His blend of Mystic Buddhism and Christianity creating a semi Word Faith philosophy like Benny Hinn and contemporaries. One of Cho’s best sellers “The Fourth Dimension” encourages “name it and claim it” practises. When he first met Jesus he appeared to him dressed as a fireman. He argues that Buddhists and Yogis do what they do through fourth dimension powers of Satan and we can do it too, by repeating phrases over and over again. He also endorses visualisation called “the law of incubation”.
Let it be known that whilst Warren harps on about “Paradigm Shift” and Cho “The Fourth Dimension” understand they are speaking the same language.
Consider this from Marilyn Ferguson’s “The Aquarian Conspiracy”
“That is paradigm change—transformation. It is the fourth dimension of change:…” pg 72
This power obtained from whatever they use to popularise it is precisely the same powerful tripe Benny Hinn proclaimed on the Praise the Lord program on TBN
1 June 1989 when he claimed the we can bless by the very same power witches curse.
Warren endorses Cho on www.Pastors.com.
Clearly Warren tends to associate with those of other religions, Occultists, proponents of the New World Order and heretical, hirelings.
It should not surprise us that Warren quotes from Thomas Merton even though Thomas Merton stated
“I see no contradiction between Buddhism and Christianity…. I intend to become as good a Buddhist as I can.” David Steindl-Rast, “Recollection of Thomas Merton’s Last Days in the West” (Monastic Studies, 7:10, 1969).
The reason I say I know where this is going is that I originate from Pentecostalism.
I have seen the same teachings of Warren already come through the Pentecostal Charismatic Movement in different forms and manners, and have been tweaked to meet the “traditional” mindset of traditional churches that are failing in the eyes of Carnal Leaders.
This is about ensuring as many fundamental, evangelical holdouts to the coming world religion, and world order, are removed or are made to serve, since there must be many ways and not the one narrow way of “I am the Way the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father except through me.”
Such a path will result in weak, watered down semi pentecostal / charismatic hybrid type churches.
The preaching of a gospel that is akin to a narcotic, a feel good fix which requires a more regular top up as the subject becomes more desensitised to the the message of dope, and it inevitably will lead to new, exciting doctrines and practise that right now would be considered as the domain of the insane and demonic.
A gospel to reach the “unchurched” aka the reprobates.
I know this, not because I am so good, but a church I was in was destroyed because of similar actions.
A “Christian” church becomes a “community” church, buys a huge building and calls it an “entertainment” centre and all sorts of heresies and blasphemies come in. (Not that it didn’t have any to begin with.)
That is why I only need to hear a few words and sentences to know that the bottle of Arsenic with the Skull and Cross Bones on it has been relabelled Essential Vitamins and Minerals.
Half the time he doesn’t even try to veil his language.
Take Purpose Driven Church pg 383 “On the Job Training”. He discusses SALT.
That was being done over 17 years ago in the Pentecostal Churches.
It was called SALTS (Shepherds and Leadership Training School)
Of those that should be conscious of such motivations, I would expect Churches with deep historical foundations on the Rock of Jesus Christ, who have come through much trial and tribulation to be awake, thus I quote the Fellowship of REMOVED Churches home page
“The outstanding principle was the principle of the gathered church. They
said, “the church should consist only of those men and women who had
consciously dedicated themselves to Christ and His service,” as distinct from
those who wanted to include all members of society in the church. It was this
high and serious concept of church membership that distinguished the
REMOVED.”
Is this what distinguishes Rick Warren? Isn’t he wanting to include all members of society, whilst rejecting those who are “dedicated … to Christ and His service”?
Does he not claim he is about “… a church for the unchurched…” in his Purpose Driven Church pg 39 and 193. (But then he claims contrary! Pg 79)
This is not in line with the REMOVED Church.
He also makes this very point on pages 38-39 of Purpose Driven Church. His church was NOT for believers, but for unbelievers. There is a serious divide between the principles of the REMOVED Church and Rick Warren and his Saddleback Church.
Does he distinguish between the holy and the profane like Ezekiel 22:26? I think not.
This is not unlike Bill Hybels in building “seeker sensitive” churches and recently had an Imam preach from his pulpit. Hybels was also mentored by Robert Schuller and C Peter Wagner.
In 1996 Hybels church was softly criticised in the last 30 or so pages of the book Willow Creek Seeker Services which stated
“Hybels incorporates large chunks of the American psychological world view into his basic teaching and teaches that fulfilment is a consequence of the Christian life. There is a lack of critical evaluation to Willow Creek’s approach to relevance. This felt-need approach to relevance ultimately distorts their Christianity. ” pg 200 (Willow Creek Seeker Services, G. A. Pritchard.)
But it took Hybels over 12 years to conclude the blatantly obvious that by building seeker sensitive churches the methods he has used to grow the church has greatly increased numbers in his church but church growth methods are not good for building strong Christians.
Here’s a good example of seeker sensitivity from Rob Eshman who mentions Rabbi Ron Wolfman (the guy whose book Rick Warren endorsed as previously mentioned) and his impression of Rick Warren when he went to his Saddleback Church with 2 bus loads of synagogue leaders.
He gives this rousing endorsement in a 2006 article titled “The Jesus Man Has a Plan” referring to Rick Warren stating
“Rabbi Ron Wolfman met Rick Warren a decade ago and was influenced by the pastors first book, “The Purpose Driven Church”… The other secret to his success is his passion for God and Jesus. Warren managed to speak for the entire evening without once mentioning Jesus… Warren told Wolfson his interest is in helping all houses of worship, not in converting Jews… The success of Warren’s second book, “The Purpose Driven Life” demonstrates his ability to turn a particular gospel into a universal one.”
Congratulations Rick, some passion, not mentioning Jesus all night. Seems like he does this quite frequently.
Sounds like Mother Theresa’s idea of “converting”.
What can I possibly say about this that this does not already say except it sounds like John Hagee who stated on many occasions that Jews did not need the New Covenant to be saved.
How could you miss such an opportunity to teach how Jesus fulfils the pattern of Torah, the Mosaic Law and Sacrificial system – fulfilled.
This is beyond Church Growth, it’s about multi-faith growth. Trying to help other “houses of worship”. If this doesn’t cry Baal worshipper I do not know what does.
Church Growth Dynamics itself is so foolish.
We are told “go into all the world” not, bring the world in. How foolish.
Numbers mean nothing, “… few there be that find it.”, “… not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble…”
Besides the church has been teaching less and less truth decade by decade. How is it the answer to preach even less truth. God is calling us to return to the old paths and repair the breach.
For Rick Warren this means all that his Purpose Driven Life and Church stand for, and bizarrely enough 5 years ago God made perfectly clear to myself that the answer to our problem was repairing the breach but by means opposite to the way of the Purpose Driven Life, rather a Christ Led Life and Christ Led Church.
“Buy gold tried in the fire”
This is because the Old Paths of the Purpose Driven Life and Church are not about returning to the Foundations of Yahweh which we have departed, but to the Old Religion, aka Wicca / Paganism.
Rick Warrens Plan is one regarding community, health, purpose and peace and is no different to what the mystery religions have been working towards.
Marilyn Ferguson in the Aquarian Conspiracy shows the ambition and direction of Rick Warren is in total alignment with the world system even though she is not writing about him by stating
“If we limit ourselves to the old-paradigm concept of averting war, we are trying to overpower darkness rather than switching on the light. If we reframe the problem—if we think of fostering community, health, innovation, self-discovery, purpose— we are already engaged in waging peace.”pg 411
They speak the same language, they aim for the same goals, their mission objective is identical. Changing the world using tools obtained from the world, to cause peace and avert war. A PEACE plan.
Like I have said before not all the pieces of the patch work quilt of world hegemony is in sight yet. Other things are happening in different areas, but their objectives are still exactly the same though maybe outside our realm of influence or knowledge, it is occurring as you read this.
Take for example Episcopal Bishop of San Fransisco William Swing who is working towards a United Religions and has established a URI (United Religions Initiative) like a UN for religions.
The Bishop stated in September 11 1996
“We don’t bring Christ to the world; Christ created the world. We come with community and a vocabulary.” False Dawn by Lee Penn pg 215
Yes lets all build community, this doesn’t mean what you have assumed.
Yes let’s all bring a vocabulary, because these words do not mean what you assumed.
This means a dialogue. Is this not the catch cry from the ecumenical movement.
It is now to be utilised through the syncratic movement.
This is what Ideological Transhipment and Dialogue is all about.
The weaving of the web is slow and formless at first, but even in their own words gradually, slowly, but surely it is starting to take shape, the pieces are being pulled closer together.
Nothing though has changed. Charles Spurgeon’s keen spiritual eye pierced through to the heart of what was happening writing in April 1888 in “The Sword and the Trowel concerning the “Down Grade Controversy” an article called “Progressive Theology”
“… one sees a “Moderate” declaring his advance to “another gospel” in the boldest terms; and there, another, highly esteemed for his supposed love of the truth,stubbing it after the subtle manner of its most malicious foes. While some of the most perverted cunningly endeavour to appear orthodox, others of a braver nature come out in their true colors, and astonish us with the glaring hue of their heresy…
After the gospel has been found effectual in the eternal salvation of untold multitudes, it seems rather late in the day to alter it; and, since it is the revelation of the all-wise and unchanging God, it appears somewhat audacious to attempt its improvement. When we call up before our mind’s eye the gentlemen who have set themselves this presumptuous task, we feel half inclined to laugh; the case is so much like the proposal of moles to improve the light of the sun. Their gigantic intellects are to hatch out the meanings of the Infinite! We think we see them brooding over hidden truths to which they lend the aid of their superior genius to accomplish their development!…
Hitherto they have not hatched out much worth rearing. Their chickens are so much of the Roman breed, that we sometimes seriously suspect that, after all, Jesuitical craft may be at the bottom of this “modern thought.” It is singular that, by the way of free-thought, men should be reaching the same end as others arrived at by the path of superstition. Salvation by works is one distinctive doctrine of the new gospel: in many forms this is avowed and gloried in—not, perhaps, in exact words, but in declarations quite unmistakable. The Galatian heresy is upon us with a vengeance: in the name of virtue and morality, justification by faith and salvation by free grace are bitterly assailed…
There are degrees in the inventiveness of the nineteenth century theologians; but, to our mind, it is the license given to this inventiveness, even when it is most moderate, which is the root of the whole mischief. What is to be taught next? And what next? Do men really believe that there is a gospel for each century? Or a religion for each fifty years? Will there be in heaven saints saved according to a score sorts of gospel? Will these agree together to sing the same song? And what will the song be? Saved on different footings, and believing different doctrines, will they enjoy eternal concord, or will heaven itself be only a new arena for disputation between varieties of faiths? We shall, on the supposition of an ever-developing theology, owe a great deal to the wisdom of men. God may provide the marble; but it is man who will carve the statue. It will no longer be true that God has hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and revealed them unto babes; but the babes will be lost in hopeless bewilderment, and carnal wisdom will have fine times for glorying. Scientific men will be the true prophets of our Israel, even though they deny Israel’s God; and instead of the Holy Spirit guiding the humble in heart, we shall see the enthronement of “the spirit of the age,” whatever that may mean. “The world by wisdom knew not God,” so says the apostle of the ages past; but the contrary is to be our experience nowadays. New editions of the gospel are to be excogitated by the wisdom of men, and we are to follow in the wake of “thoughtful preachers,” whose thoughts are not as God’s thoughts. Verily this is the deification of man! Nor do the moderns shrink even from this. To many of our readers it may already be known that it is beginning to be taught that God himself is but the totality of manhood, and that our Lord Jesus only differed from us in being one of the first men to find out that he was God: he was but one item of that race, which, in its solidarity, is divine…
It is thought to be mere bigotry to protest against the mad spirit which is now loose among us. Pan-indifferentism is rising like the tide; who can hinder it? We are all to be as one, even though we agree in next to nothing. It is a breach of brotherly love to denounce error. Hail, holy charity! Black is white; and white is black. The false is true; the true is false; the true and the false are one. Let us join hands, and never again mention those barbarous, old-fashioned doctrines about which we are sure to differ. Let the good and sound men for liberty’s sake shield their “advanced brethren”; or, at least, gently blame them in a tone which means approval. After all, there is no difference, except in the point of view from which we look at things: it is all in the eye, or, as the vulgar say, “it is all my eye”! In order to maintain an open union, let us fight as for dear life against any form of sound words, since it might restrain our liberty to deny the doctrines of the Word of God!” pg 65 – 68.
This seemingly prophetic excerpt of Spurgeon’s almost sums up the very period and position in which we find ourselves right now and covers many points discussed in this letter.
The process of transitioning isn’t new, it is perpetual, it is always with us and will remain till our Lord returns so how can any justification be made for allowing churches to becomes swamped with carnal Christians through this process (even non Christians in all honesty) the maturity of the church declines, the message becomes more and more catered to non believers, strange new teachings creep in and the mature Christians get spiritually sick of it and leave, or stand for the truth and get kicked out.
Not only have I seen it, the word of God prophesies it. It happened once in history and the result was the Roman Catholic Church, and history now repeats.
And that is exactly what transitioning supposed to achieve, the removal of the problem people over time, these are the knowledgeable Christians. To hollow out the structure of the church whilst leaving it’s outward appearance.
This is a psychological, secret persecution of true believers in a non violent way.
I am greatly saddened reading testimonies of people ousted from churches undergoing this transition into Warrenism.
In fact my heart breaks for these people, I should know I have been through that process 17 years ago in the Pentecostal Church, so this is nothing new. I am not even able to read to my wife testimonies of believers in Christ coming out of these Warrenist Churches without breaking into tears.
Even the Wall Street Journal on 5th September 2006 wrote a report on these things happening. And that paper is owned by Sun Myung Moon.
What these poor “lovers of God rather than lovers of men” have undergone for the sake of “seeker sensitive” churches is spiritual abuse.
In fact it is quite the insult to claim seeker sensitivity when the only beliefs not treated sensitively are the believers of the truth of Christ and the mystery of Godliness.
But they are comforted by scripture
“Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.” Luke 6:22
So I now leave it in your wise and capable hands as Minister and Elders to reassess if you seriously want to go down the route that most of today’s church travel down.
I have attempted to be as careful as the situation and the evidence would allow me.
This must be something we take great care in, but to “… avoid every appearance of evil.” is a wise course of action.
And it appears such evil associates with itself
“… there has been cross-fertilization between… other utopian, globalist movements. Many of the same people have led multiple organisations, or shared podiums with each other, or endorsed each others’ manifestos, or praised each others books. By such means, without formal organisational ties, these organisations promote what… Donald Frew describes as “the Western liberal social agenda. It covers many groups, and those who are in one group are likely to be in another.” Interview of Donald Frew by Lee Penn 28/3/03 False Dawn by Lee Penn pg 102.
I have shown that Rick Warren shares his podium with other like minded people, occultists, humanists and politicians. I have also shown Rick Warren has endorsed documents or “manifestos “ of like minded occult and humanist organisations. It has also been shown that Rick Warren has praised the books of like minded occultists and humanists.
In closing, after seeing the amount of connections between Rick Warren and New Age Lucifarian proponents, and internally through what Rick Warren claims “as Christian” whilst simultaneously teaching what is not Christian. For example pg 231 of Purpose Driven Church
“… the unchurched will listen to absolute foolishness… just turn on your television late at night and you will see the assortment of psychics, wackos, and weirdos that dominate the airwaves.”
Sounds good for all his Christian readers. I see the heads of numerous strong in the faith men of God shaking their heads up and down. This is Rick Warren using the “YES SET” because we have seen that he associates with “psychics”, endorses “wackos” and writes forewords for the books of “weirdos”.
Marilyn Ferguson makes this poignant observation regarding what is occurring
“A revolution, as we shall see, is first visible in tendencies— altered behavior and trends that are easily misunderstood, explained within the context of the old paradigm as something they aren’t. And to confuse matters further, these new behaviors may be mimicked and exaggerated by those who do not understand their basis in inner turnabout. All revolutions attract mercenaries, thrill seekers, and the unstable, as well as the truly committed. Pg 38 The Aquarian Conspiracy
Remember Rick Warren’s PEACE Plan leader Ken Blanchard was not interested in Evangelism, only behaviour.
This then leaves me with no other possible conclusion but that at best Rick Warren is duped and uneducated, who must stop listening to the wisdom of the world repent and be converted.
At worst he is an initiate, insider of the occult traditions and is “truly committed”, one of those “change agents” Alice Bailey said would elevate the church to a “John the Baptist” of the coming New Age and it’s anti-messiah.
If the latter is the case then the likelihood we are dealing with someone reprobated is quite great.
Considering he has had 20 years of instruction from Drucker, the CFR, Generals, Presidents, Oxford Analytica and numerous others, I think we need to pray that he finds repentance if it is possible for him.
It would be foolish to state “Let’s wait and see”, I’ve already shown you. I hope you see this in the same vein sooner than later.
It will be sooner if you do you own leg work to understand this yourself, or you can make your church relevant for the 21st Century godless culture and irrelevant with God. Your choice.
Yours in the glorious name of Salvation
REMOVED
PS
Currently pursuing Alice Baileys Esoteric Psychology Volume 1 it is a disheartening thing to see that she speaks nothing but The Life, Purpose, Quality and Plan.
It is also disturbing to notice the following:
On Pg 24 of Esoteric Psychology Alice Bailey states there are three phases of awakening that develops into the following in succession
1Personality
2Soul
3Monad.
“… the Personality of the soul makes its appearance. He stands then on the verge of the probationary path. He enters the world of quality and of value, and begins to discover the nature of the soul and to shift the emphasis from the appearance to the quality of the Life which has produced it. This identification of the quality with the appearance grows steadily upon the path until the fusion of quality and appearance, of energy and that which it energises, is so perfect that appearance no longer veils the reality, and the soul is now the dominant factor; consciousness is now identified with itself (or with its ray) and not with its phenomenal appearance. Later, the soul itself is superseded by the Monad, and that Monad becomes, in verity, embodied purpose.” pg 24
“They correspond, in the human family, to the three aspects of Personality, Soul and Monad.” pg 29
At the 100 centennial of Peter Drucker, Rick Warren was the keynote speaker in Vienna Austria where he stated
“Peter was far more than the founder of modern management. He was far more than a brilliant man, one of the greatest minds of the 20th Century, he was a great SOUL…” Rick Warren speaking at the Peter F Drucker forum.
Why does he seem to speak their language at every turn?
It is interesting to then understand
“Through the interaction between the indwelling soul and the form, two things occur:
a. Sentiency and quality are expressed according to the type of body and its point of evolution.
b. The pervading soul drives the body nature into activity, and forces it forward along the path of development, and thus provides for the soul a field of experience and for the body the opportunity to react to the higher soul impulse.” pg 32
Again why has Mr Warren called his books “Driven”?
Consider this
“The Plan was the great mystery. The Christ, cosmic and individual, was sensed and known, but purpose was as yet veiled and unrevealed. The “noble eightfold path” was not known, and only seven steps into the Temple were seen. With the coming in of the Aryan race, the purpose and the plan began to be revealed.” pg 25
This should speak volumes when considered in light of the comments made about Hitler and the comments by those he associates with, quotes or endorses.
Equally the purpose of purpose is the revealing of the 8 fold path.
This then makes sense that the introduction of New Age Health into the lives of Warrens disciples has taken place and that so many occult, New Age practitioners are all around him.
Remember we are told to watch for that word of Power “Purpose”
“Group initiation means that the bulk of the members are correctly oriented; that they are proposing to accept the discipline which will prepare them for the next great expansion of consciousness, and that none of them can possibly be deviated from their purpose (note that word with its first ray or Shamballic implications), no matter what is happening in their environment or their personal life. You need to reflect on this if you desire to make the needed progress.” pg 20
Rays and Initiations: A Treatise on the seven rays Volume 5 by Alice Bailey
Speaking in 1962 Alice Bailey says in Esoteric Psychology Vol 1
“The will of Deity coloured the stream of energy units which we call by the name of the Ray of Will or Power, the first ray, and the impact of that stream on the matter of space insured that the hidden purpose of Deity would inevitably and eventually be revealed. It is a ray of such dynamic intensity that we call it the ray of the Destroyer. It is not as yet functioning actively. It will come into full play only when the time comes for the purpose to be safely revealed.” pg 27
Is that time coming closer now since Rick Warren has released his Purpose Books and marketing program?
It is clear that during the time of writing Esoteric Psychology in 1962 Alice Bailey
considered us to be in an intermediate stage.
Since there are three stages the intermediate one would be the 2nd stage.
This stage was initiated via WW2.
So then what constitutes the 3rd Stage. The Monad.
This stage being one of Initiation of the Masses.
Is it possible that the events of September 11 2001 are the catalyst for initiating the whole world into an new way of thinking?
Remember the period of 2001-2003 was called “The Awakening” Phase 1 of the 7 Phase plan towards War with Islam.
Consider Alice Bailey on this
“The Monad is dynamic will or purpose, but remains unrevealed until after the third initiation.” pg 29
The Monad is Will or Purpose.
Is it by chance that Rick Warren released his Purpose Driven Life after this “3rd Initiation”?
We are given a direct expectation of when these terms should be used. Alice Bailey again states
“This use of terms involves the realisation of an achieved goal. It is not true of the present stage [aka 1962] as regards expression, for this is the intermediate stage. None are as yet working with full intelligent activity, though some day each will do so.” pg 29
Is he driven by the CFR like Roosevelt was to publish them. Did he even write them?
All are valid questions? I ask this because of some strange statements he has made regarding being allowed to write these books
“I am often asked ‘what surprised you about the book’, and I said ‘that I got to write it’.” Rick Warren at TED 2006
The timing of the release of these books in light of what Alice Bailey states needs to be taken very seriously.
“The Monad is Life, the sustaining force, a Lord of persevering and ceaseless devotion to the pursuit of a seen and determined objective.” pg 29
This again makes complete sense of Rick Warren calling his book “Purpose Driven Life.” since both the Monad is the dynamic will or purpose and is Life.
Alice Bailey then takes this full circle stating
“When the soul adds to sentiency, quality, self-awareness and group consciousness, a consciousness of divine synthetic purpose (called by us the Plan),…” pg 32
Thus the purpose is the Plan.
So why has Rick Warren assembled and promoted, endorsed and quoted so many mystics.
You will find an answer here
“The religious man is pre-eminently astral or emotional and works in a more separative manner, particularly in this Piscean age which is passing away. When I say the religious man I refer to the mystic and to the man who senses the beatific vision. I refer not to disciples nor to those who are called initiates, for they add to the mystical vision a trained mental apprehension.” pg 31
Alice Bailey explained a few pages prior regarding the order of Disciples and Initiates saying
“Unevolved man. . .o o o. appearance, quality, life.
Disciple. . . . . . . . .o o. .o.appearance—quality. . . . . .life.
Initiate. . . . . . . . . .o..o o.appearance. . . . . . quality—life.” pg 24
(The ooo oo..o and o..oo is not a typo.)
Thus what we see here is that Mystics are not in the class of those called Disciples or Initiates. This leaves the class of unevolved man.
Thus Rick Warren is introducing the masses to the beginners level of the Plan. As she said she is not referring to “disciples” or “initiates”.
Mystics are for the “unevolved man” to learn to “sense” the “VISION”.
This is about beginning a journey on the path, Lucifers path. This is not the end of the journey, it has only just begun!
Understand what game being played here. We are being led like a lamb to the slaughter. Scripture tells us
“Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” Matthew 10:16
You don’t have to be led foolishly to slaughter.
Also do not enter into the debate but state the facts and leave it to God.
Participation in debate involves you intrinsically in the dialectical process or diapraxis. By participating in “dialogue” you become the thesis or antithesis and then you become at risk of being transitioned to the next level being synthesised.
We must make our catch cry Matthew 10:16 because what is coming will have the whole world in blood lust.
Cutting it into three pieces represents the Trinity, and when you cut it the pie filling runs into itself and is one.past-present-future (within time); the two-heavens-and-the-one-earth (within Genesis 1:1’s primordial tri-uni-verse); length-breadth height(within dimensions); the triadic chord (within music); blue-yellow-red (within the primary colours); father-mother-child (within families); Preachers-Elders-Deacons (within churches); State-Church-Society (in sociology); Legislatures-Administrations-Judiciaries (within
civic governments); Cities-States-Federations (within lands); and body-soul-spirit (within each human). Note that the latter presupposes neither tri-chotom-y nor di-chotom-y, but precisely an a-chotom-ous tri-unity! Indeed, “’ashreey ” or triunely “blessed is the man” of God in Psalm 1:1f.
In Christ dwelt ALL THE FULNESS of the Godhead in a bodily form.
Copyright 2017 Dunce Scholar
“Brhaspati was seen as the personification of the planet Jupiter and thus as one of ten sons equates with the ancient pagan idea of there being ten planets. This also works into Greek Mythology with Zeus who holds the lightening bolt or also see in Norse Mythology as Thors Hammer. The naming of the seven days of the week also attests to an unexpected consistency in that our Thursday derived from the Scandinavian Thor’s Day is called in Sanskrit Brhaspati.” Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics Volume 3 pg 111. 
The Psychology of Satan and the Unfathomable Mind of God 
